Post by vintageslrs on Oct 12, 2005 15:20:55 GMT -5
thank you for the info. and that site.....I will be studying it later......from a brief look...I think there are many models to add to the Cosina-made SLR list. now as far as putting that list in alphabetical order..... here's the problem---the list was put on an Excel spreadsheet and as we gathered models they were added. I try to keep it somewhat organized by adding and eliminating rows as we go but...... Now unless someone (who knows all the ins and outs of Excel) can inform me as to an easy way, using Excel, to have this list always appear in alphbetical order (I'd be more than happy for the help) ---it's gonna have remain in a state that requires a little searching to see every model. and maybe that is appropriate considering all the searching it took to compile the list---LOL. ;D when I post the current list as I will do in the next post---I just copy and paste from the Excel workbook.
now as far as putting that list in alphabetical order..... here's the problem---the list was put on an Excel spreadsheet and as we gathered models they were added. I try to keep it somewhat organized by adding and eliminating rows as we go but...... Now unless someone (who knows all the ins and outs of Excel) can inform me as to an easy way, using Excel, to have this list always appear in alphbetical order (I'd be more than happy for the help) ---it's gonna have remain in a state that requires a little searching to see every model. and maybe that is appropriate considering all the searching it took to compile the list-
Ouch !! I asked for that didn't I I'm no Excel expert but in the Excel Toolbar under Data is the option Sort. I've just tried it on one of my files and you have to be careful not to just sort one column if there are more than one.
Peter--your instructions were perfect...thank you very much...and now ...thank you Rachel for w/o your request....this would not have happened........................................................................and after dinner...I want to get to researching the site Rachel brought to my attention.
I tried with the list you posted, and it sorted OK, but the problem is that, for example, it puts CT-1A. 1EX and 1G after CT 10 because a computer normally sorts numerically first and then alphabetically so it puts 'one zero' before 'one A', 'one EX' and 'one G'. Not sure how to get round that one, because you can't get into Excel's program without the Microsoft Developer's Toolkit - and I'm not sure I could do it even if I had that. It might need a global change and affect every other spreadsheet on the same program.
One way round is to use a capital O instead of zero, but it doesn't look all that good. And then, of course, both CT-1O and CT-20 come before CT-4, -7 and -9 because the computer sees the 1 of 1O and the 2 of 20 before 4, 7 and 9. That's why computer numbering up to 999 starts 001, 002 etc. There should be a way round it, but my poor tired old brain doesn't want to find it.
Post by vintageslrs on Oct 12, 2005 17:45:30 GMT -5
Peter and Rachel
I think it is perfectly fine the way it is now. As Rachel points out it is not a chronological list. And it is a big improvement to have all the brand names in alphabetical order. That should make it much easier to work with and to add to....so I am satisfied with the results. We can still use our brains a little and look down at a list of models within a specific brand, can't we?
Post by vintageslrs on Oct 12, 2005 18:37:50 GMT -5
OK Folks....... here we go.......there were many in that site provided by Rachel that were distinctly Cosina-made. There were also many that were questionable. The questionable ones are omitted from this list until such time more proof has been found. But I have added 12 more to our list. We are now up to 102 and always growing.
COSINA MADE SLRs: ARGUS STL-1000 BAUER RX1 BAUER RX2 CANON T60 CARENA CX-300 CARENA CX-500 CARENA KSM-1 CARENA KSM-2 CAVALIER MSTL CHINON CE II CHINON CM3 CHINON 5000SE CHINON GAFL-ES CHINON CHINONFLEX CHINON CE-3 CHINON CS-4 CHINON CM-5 CHINON CM-7 CHINON CG-5 CHINON CX II CHINON CP-X CIMKO LS-1 COSINA C1 COSINA C2 COSINA CT-1 COSINA CT-1EX COSINA CX-2 COSINA CT-1A COSINA CT-1G COSINA CT-1 SUPER COSINA CS-1 COSINA CS-2 COSINA CS-3 COSINA CT-4 COSINA CT-7 COSINA CT-7D COSINA CT-9 COSINA CT-10 COSINA CT-20 COSINA CT-90 COSINA EL SOLAR COSINA HI-LITE COSINA HI-LITE HDL COSINA HI-LITE EC COSINA HI-LITE 405 ELICAR MN-1 EXAKTA TWIN TL EXAKTA HS-2 EXAKTA HS-4 EXAKTA HS-3 EXAKTA HS-10 EXAKTA HS-40 EXAKTA KE-5 HAKING HG1 HAKING HG2 HANIMEX DR-1 KENLOCK KG1 MIRANDA MS-1 NIKKOREX F NIKON FM-10 NIKON FE-10 OLYMPUS OM-2000 PANAGOR CT1EX PANAGOR CT90 PENTAX P30T PETRI GX-1 PETRI GX-2 PETRI GX-3 PETRI GX-4 PETRI MF2 PETRI MF3 PETRI MF4 PETRI MF101 PETRI MF102 PETRI MF103 PETRI MF104 PRINZFLEX SUPER TTL QUANTARAY R400 QUANTARAY RZ800 QUANTARAY DZ-RZ RICOH XR-1 RICOH KR-5 RICOH KR-500 RICOH KR-5 SUPER2 RICOH SINGLEX TLS RICOH KR-10 SUPER SEARS SL2 SEARS TLS SEIMAX SV7 SEIMAX SV9 SOLIGAR SC-1 TOPCON AM-1 VIVITAR 220SL VIVITAR 420SL VIVITAR 650SL VIVITAR XV2 VIVITAR XV3 VIVITAR V2000 VIVITAR V6000 VOIGTLANDER VSL 43 YASHICA FX-3 SUPER 2000 ZODEL 2MTL
Busy little bees, weren't they? BTW I mentioned that Prinz was the house-brand of Dixons in the UK. In case anyone doesn't know, Zodel was the house-brand name of Wallace Heaton in London - later bought by Dixons.
Post by vintageslrs on Oct 13, 2005 13:53:20 GMT -5
Ok now, in an attempt to clear "some" of the confusion of the Cosina-made STL 1000s.....I think this kinda explains the how,what,where and when----LOL. the following info. came from Matt Denton's site and the info. came from the Argus Collectors Group. And in all fairness this was brought to my attention by "our fearless leader", Randy.
According to a particularly helpful ACG member (thanks Ron!) there are multiple variations of the STL 1000, in three types: the first Petri-made model, the later Cosina-made model that is virtually the same as the Cosina Hi-Lite with the ASA dial on the front (suspiciously similar to the Ricoh Singlex) and the name "Argus" on the faceplate. Then this version (ASA dial on top), which apparently itself came in several flavors, but was essentially an upgrade to the Cosina Hi-Lite (and very like the Singlex II). It shares some unique stylings with the Hi-Lite body, notably the bottom relesase lever, unique match needle marks in the viewfinder, and 'film type reminder ring' around the rewind knob. The ones sporting an Argus Sekor lens are a little different, they have a hot shoe instead of the optional accessory shoe, are possibly made by Mamiya but have the same unique body stlyings of the Hi-Lite so it's hard to say. I know that Mamiya made a version of their MSX for Sears as the TLS 1000 MXB, maybe it's the same camera? At any rate, there is certainly speculation as to who was an OEM for whom back in the day, as Cosina, Mamiya and Ricoh were known to manufacture equipment for other brands, see Sears and Vivitar SLRs for examples (among others). One thread from my ACG source: Mamiya was an OEM in the early 60s making cameras for Argus, Sears and others, then sold the dies and tools to Ricoh who tweaked the design to come up with the Singlex and its Sears version. The very similar Cosina Hi-Lite came after that and at this point there's no telling who really made what. I've even seen the Ricoh TLS with a Mamiya lens. -----------------------------------------------------------------------