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Post by vintageslrs on Jun 1, 2010 6:54:39 GMT -5
Dave--I am completely aware of shutter delay on the P&S digitals....both Sherri and I hate it! I was not aware that it is still an issue on some of the digital SLR's. One more reason for me to stick with film. Bob
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Post by daveh on Jun 1, 2010 8:00:50 GMT -5
Bob, The Panasonics I have are fixed lens hybrids, rather than true SLRs (what is seen through the viewfinder is electronic rather than optical).
I have a Canon 7D which to me seems to have about the same delay as a film SLR - probably my speed of thought rather than the camera itself.
The Panasonics are pretty useless for true action photos of fast moving sports. I would think the latest series are much better than mine, which are about five years old now.
The big advantage of digital is being able to alter film speed on the fly. Some days I have started off at ISO 200 which has allowed me about 1/2000 at f4, but by the end of the game I have had to switch to ISO 3200 to give me about 1/100 at f4.
Karsh of Ottowa took some wonderful portraits on a Box Brownie., and before him Julia Margaret Cameron would have used a big plate camera. In the end a camera is just a tool, and everyone should use what suits him or her and the situation best.
Big disadvantage of digital - it is too easy to delete it.
Whoops - should be at work.
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Post by herron on Jun 1, 2010 15:55:28 GMT -5
I have a couple of Panasonics Lumix FZ1 (1.8mp) and FZ20 (5mp). The Leica lenses are excellent. The only problem for me is the shutter delay, though I'm sure the latest versions will be much more snappy. The Sony looks a nice camera and having the steady shot on board is, in many ways, a good idea. It certainly saves the expense of having to buy the IS lenses of the Canon and Nikon systems. I have the Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX3K 10.1 MP and there's no delay. I also like the large f/2 aperture and the shake prevention feature!
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Post by mickeyobe on Jun 1, 2010 18:37:39 GMT -5
Hi Bob, Do you remember the audio-cassette or tape ? My son ( 18 ) does not even use the compact disk, they all have their MP3 players... MIK MIK, When I was a teenager (Yes I really was) the grandfather of one of my friends owned a piano repair shop. He would allow us to play his player pianos for hours. Mickey
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Post by mickeyobe on Jun 1, 2010 18:51:49 GMT -5
Dave--I am completely aware of shutter delay on the P&S digitals....both Sherri and I hate it! I was not aware that it is still an issue on some of the digital SLR's. One more reason for me to stick with film. Bob Bob, My first digital camera was a lovely little fixed zoom lens Fujifilm. It ruined more pictures with its abominable shutter lag than ever I did with my estimated focusing and sunny 16 guestimating. I did not keep it very long. I, too, thought shutter lag was passe. Mickey
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Post by pompiere on Jun 2, 2010 5:46:56 GMT -5
Hi Bob, Do you remember the audio-cassette or tape ? My son ( 18 ) does not even use the compact disk, they all have their MP3 players... MIK MIK, When I was a teenager (Yes I really was) the grandfather of one of my friends owned a piano repair shop. He would allow us to play his player pianos for hours. Mickey I frequently find player piano rolls in junk and antique shops, but I haven't seen a working player piano for a long time.
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Post by mickeyobe on Jun 2, 2010 11:59:55 GMT -5
Ron,
Many of those rolls were made by now famous musicians and composers and may be well worth saving just in case. It is them playing as if they were present at the piano while you pump the pedals. The only one I can remember now is George Gershwin.
Mickey
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Post by daveh on Jun 2, 2010 12:58:14 GMT -5
I always knew the player piano under its name of 'pianola'. I don't think I heard George Gerswhin being played on one, but I do remember Spike Milligan singing "George Gerswhin".
(I don't know if Spike is known to you all. He was a madcap - with the accent on mad - comedian: one of the goons with Peter Sellers, Harry Secombe and, in the early days Michael Bentine.)
Well this does keep on the digital them: those pianola rolls are, after all, digital.
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Post by Randy on Jun 2, 2010 16:40:35 GMT -5
I'm new to the DSLR game. I made sure to buy this from a camera shop. Why didn't he tell me last week when I bought the darn thing that it wouldn't work with out the memory stick duo to put in the CF adapter? Now I have to wait for my memory card to show up!
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Post by PeterW on Jun 2, 2010 17:41:17 GMT -5
Dave,
Sorry, Dave, I think you'll find it was Peter Sellers who sang "George Ger-ershween"
Sellers couldn't resist poking fun at almost anything, as in his recording of "It's been a hard day's night", recited in an exaggerated Lawrence Olivier/Shakespeare style, "All the things you are" sung in a "public bar" manner in a bathroom while others are waiting to use it and the old Harry Champion music hall song "Any old iron", among other gems.
Sellers was an excellent straight actor when given the chance as well as very funny comedian, and master of just about every UK regional dialect. Fondly remembered and sadly missed.
PeterW
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Post by daveh on Jun 2, 2010 19:00:11 GMT -5
PeterW, Peter Sellers certainly did it, but I remember Spike doing it too - don't know where, don't know when - perhaps when the Great McGonagall met George Gershwin. (For those who don't know McGonagall is said to be the worst poet of all time. Have a look and you will see why: www.mcgonagall-online.org.uk/poems/pgdisaster.htm )
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Post by John Parry on Jun 3, 2010 4:11:23 GMT -5
Daveh
One day, a long time ago, (before TV continued all night) we had a long hot summer. Last thing at night, Granada TV ran a 10 minute slot called "The Lunar Appreciation Society"
They had John Lawrie ("We're all doomed!") reciting "Oh Mighty Bridge o'er the River Tay". I've never laughed so much in my life. I met somebody years later who'd been in the studio audience, and he said John Lawrie put so much into the recitation that he collapsed at the end and had to be resuscitated on the stage.
Fond memories - and it led me to become a founder member of the "Gosforth & District Lunar Appreciation Society".
We're all loonies!
Regards - John
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Post by daveh on Jun 3, 2010 7:18:54 GMT -5
... John Lawie's story of the "auld empty barn" in Dads Army.
There was nothing in it.
Brilliant actor.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2010 14:55:55 GMT -5
A friend has a CD with Rhapsody in Blue played by George Gershwin. It is made from a player piano roll punched by Gershwin so it is the son the was the songwriter intended it to be played.
No one with small children or grandchildren should try to photograph them with a basic digital P&S. When our eldest granddaughter was about two, I pointed a Canon P&S at her when she was standing in our living room. I pushed the shutter release and she started running. When the shutter finally fired she was at least two rooms away.
Wayne
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Post by Randy on Jun 3, 2010 15:22:07 GMT -5
This thread got a little off subject didn't it?
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