Stephen
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Post by Stephen on Sept 15, 2012 13:00:15 GMT -5
I reckon the 120 film was put through colour processing, not B/W chemicals, but it does not explain the print through on the negs.
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Post by Berndt on Sept 15, 2012 20:52:52 GMT -5
;D ;D  They would have deserved a better film, wouldn't they  Three times the same mistake ? For this film, the guy in the shop even sent the package to the lab as well. |
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Post by truls on Sept 17, 2012 13:45:15 GMT -5
My experience tells me never to let others develop BW film. I get much better results developing myself. I use the cheap Fomapan 400, the pictures comes out sharp and with a great tonal range.
Some time ago I left a BW film to a lab, with horrible result. BW developing is easy and you don't need much equipment. I dive into a dark cabinet at home loading the film, processing it in the bathroom, "scanning" negatives with a cheap device.
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Post by col on Sept 17, 2012 18:11:19 GMT -5
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Post by Berndt on Sept 17, 2012 19:45:11 GMT -5
If it is so easy, then why do professional labs not get it done properly ? I thought about starting to develop film by myself ... but ... first of all, I love to experiment with a lot of different film types. Wouldn't be worth, buying all the chemicals for each, I guess. Second, I do not have any experience. I checked some information about it in the internet, but everybody seems to have his own method and recipe ( even using coffee and stuff ) ... I actually do not want to get that deep into it. And back to the first point. The development of a B/W film costs about $3 here. Turning my bathroom into chemistry lab for that ... mmmmh ... and I also use mostly 120 film. I heard, that it needs some additional experience and skills, processing those in standard film tanks ... but those are just 2nd hand information. I never tried it myself.
That's actually a good idea. I'll do that !!!
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Post by truls on Sept 18, 2012 6:12:53 GMT -5
Hello berndt, The "professional" developing companies uses standard development processes no matter what film you send them, poor results. Here is my developing gear, it fits in a plastic bag:  I am loading my own film using a Prinz66 film loader (the black device to the left), buying bulk film 100 ft. It keeps the film cost down and I always have fresh film. The black box in behind is a Paterson daylight film developing tank. I load the film on the reel in total darkness and develop the film in the bathroom. All these accessories are a one time investment, and lasting for years. The paterson film tank can be adjusted to develop 120 or 220 film, as ordinary 135 film. The most difficult is loading the film in darkness, practice with a dumped film in daylight is required. I have to wait to the evening when it gets dark outside then the small closet is totally dark. I am living in a high cost country, may be you can get this gear cheaper than I did. also I mainly use the developing instructions from the producer of the film and chemicals. For now I use Fomapan 400 film and Fomadon R09 developer. It gives sharp pictures and a great tonal range. I suspect also "Lucky BW film" developed by hand also comes out very nice. It is really easy to do own development and the results are rewarding. I can do a howto on this topic with detailed instructions if someone is interested. Hope someone got any wiser now?  |
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Post by daveh on Sept 18, 2012 7:46:06 GMT -5
Berndt,
It's really quite easy to develop B&W film: a bit like baking a cake, follow the recipe and it'll turn out fine, deviate and all sorts of disasters ensue.
I have had few problems with either lab or home developing.
Home: I did one Ferrania CR50 type slide film at too high a temperature and the emulsion bubbled a bit.
Lab: one lab did manage to process an Ektachome slide film as a colour negative film.
What home developing gives you is more control over the developing. Labs used to offer specialist treatments, but I doubt there are many out there that do so now.
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Post by mickeyobe on Sept 18, 2012 14:38:45 GMT -5
Truls,
Almost complete but where are the clothespins?
Mickey
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Post by truls on Sept 18, 2012 15:06:58 GMT -5
Truls, Almost complete but where are the clothespins? Mickey Well, it got stuck in some furniture... But it says "Made in England", so the quality should be exellent! Or...?  |
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Post by mickeyobe on Sept 18, 2012 17:09:23 GMT -5
truls,
You are way ahead of me.
That is the classiest clothespin I have ever seen.
Mickey
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Post by mickeyobe on Sept 18, 2012 17:24:39 GMT -5
Berndt, It's really quite easy to develop B&W film: a bit like baking a cake, follow the recipe and it'll turn out fine, deviate and all sorts of disasters ensue. BEWARE! Don't believe that. Not one word. I tried baking a cake - once. I followed the recipe and all the rules and regulations. I turned the oven on in advance so that it would be the correct temperature when I needed it. Then I proceeded to mix the ingredients. It got quite warm in the kitchen. I turned on the fan. Fan and flour. Use your imagination.  Mickey |
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Post by Berndt on Sept 22, 2012 5:14:57 GMT -5
Hahaha ... and yeah, I am pretty sure, that it would take quite a few meters of film to "sacrifice" for getting better results than the pro-lab. It is also about using always the same film type, I think ( but of course, I might be wrong, because I don't know ). Checking some recipes for B/W films, they are always slightly different and also the chemicals. Buying all this stuff would just make sense, if someone would focus on just one favorite film type. BTW, Mickey ... there are also a thousand ways of baking the same cake I remember, that I have been searching for a recipe of "Vanillekipferl", a very tasty Christmas cookie, my mother always used to make. You can find so many via Google, all different ... and worse of all, none of them tasting like my mothers yet www.google.co.jp/search?q=vanillekipferl&hl=de&safe=off&prmd=imvnse&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=FI9dUJOgNu3ImAXasoDoBw&sqi=2&ved=0CDMQsAQ&biw=1437&bih=1082 |
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Post by mickeyobe on Sept 22, 2012 9:37:46 GMT -5
berndt, If she was anything like my mother, you will find hand the written recipe between the pages of one of her very few but treasured and well thumbed cook books. Probably the one where the pages are separating from the binding. Mickey  |
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Post by Berndt on Sept 22, 2012 20:46:27 GMT -5
She is actually still alive ... she just also forgot, how to do it  |
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Post by col on Sept 23, 2012 5:44:56 GMT -5
I reckon the 120 film was put through colour processing, not B/W chemicals, but it does not explain the print through on the negs. Stephen If black and white film is processed in colour film chemistry the result will be a totally blank film, because part of the colour process is bleaching the silver image leaving just the colour layers. |
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