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Post by belgiumreporter on Jul 16, 2014 3:58:14 GMT -5
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Post by Rachel on Jul 16, 2014 4:24:20 GMT -5
Welcome to the group. Perhaps this is a silly question but are you sure that is not an adaptor of some kind on the camera. I thought these were bayonet mount cameras and that looks like a bayonet release button at the side of the lens mount. The only 42mm mount I know of with a different pitch of thread is the T mount.
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Post by belgiumreporter on Jul 16, 2014 4:52:07 GMT -5
Hi Rachel, thanks for your fast reply.
OMG !!!! you've solved the mystery, how can i thank you ?? it is indeed an adaptor. I didn't recognised it as i am not familliar with adaptor lenses (i Always use Original brand or dedicated mount lenses) How stupid could i have been it took me over 40 years of wrong assumptions :-Sand now after being member of this forum for only one day you've solved this linguring problem Thank you so much !!!!!
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Post by belgiumreporter on Jul 16, 2014 5:32:02 GMT -5
Here's what i've done, after Rachel pointed me out the mount probably was an adaptor , ive pushed the button jammed the adapter around removed it and underneat was the Original alpa bajonet mount. Now i knew a had a tmount adaptor for alpa somewhere as i bought it years ago because i thought it would fit the alpa as it was (it didn't) but now everything falls in to place wich leaves me with two options : 1 find an Original alpa fit lens or.. 2 find a Tmount lens to at least give the camera some descency of having a lens on it. Here's the pics :   |
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Post by Stephen on Jul 16, 2014 7:37:39 GMT -5
Glad you solved the problem, the Alpa 35mm camera mounted more lens than any other make, as the Alpa mount is close registered to the film plane.
The Alpa, and Leica, were used by the phone companies to provide photos of the older Strowger Exchange meters to provide billing evidence. The bodies though, have no viewfinder, and used fixed focus lenses, with the focus distance provided by a frame. The bills were calculated by the change from the previous shot to the latest.
The lens makes the camera, bodies have little to do if in proper order, so you really should invest in a Kern Standard F1.8 lens, there are the best ever made, unrivalled by sharpness and macro corrections. However they are very costly, and are even worth buying damaged cheap and having it rebuilt, albeit very costly.
The adaptor you have is odd, it has engraved apertures, and my guess is that it is the back part of a lens, as the thread looks very course pitch and even two start, which indicates it is a focusing screw, not an adaptor.
Alpa were widely used in Laboratories and for technical uses, and it may be part of a very specialist lens.
Also you are missing the delayed action lever......
Hope this helps
Stephen.....Alpa owner
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Post by belgiumreporter on Jul 16, 2014 8:16:13 GMT -5
Also you are missing the delayed action lever...... Hope this helps Stephen.....Alpa owner Stephen, thanks for your input, indeed after a look at some alpa 7 pics it became clear to me the delayed action lever is indeed missing. Guess i never gave it much attention as the camera was lying on the shelf for such a long time i kinda given up on it. Even so everything else seems to be working fine and i think only alpa owners will know wat a gentle sound the shutter makes. |
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Post by Rachel on Jul 16, 2014 10:58:20 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 12:41:08 GMT -5
Rachel. Nice to see you posting.
W.
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Post by Rachel on Jul 16, 2014 14:21:28 GMT -5
Rachel. Nice to see you posting. W. Thank you Wayne. I have a look at the latest messages on the forum every day so I should post more  |
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Post by Rachel on Jul 16, 2014 15:38:25 GMT -5
I don't know if it's of interest but Butkus has a good selection of Alpa Camera Manuals for downloading. |
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Post by philbirch on Jul 16, 2014 17:09:48 GMT -5
Interesting. I read more about Alpa cameras on this forum than anywhere. I remember in the early 70's seeing the ads for Alpa and they were available in M42, Exakta and Nikon bayonet plus their own. At shockingly high prices. Even the photo magazines rarely mentioned them in their editorials probably 'coz of the cost.
Or perhaps then they were Canikon obsessed like now.
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Post by Stephen on Jul 16, 2014 17:21:31 GMT -5
Worked it out!!.......What you have as the "adaptor" is the back plate of a standard Kern lens from the Alpa II. The part is the focusing plate with mount and took the lens on the screw to focus it.
The arm that sticks out is a lock for infinity, rather like the Leica collapsible lenses.
There is no iris stop down device to cover the shutter release as the early Alpa was not semi auto/auto diaphragm, but later provided the same style system as Exakta, an external stop down arm.
So check if the front half is in a box etc, it will look like an abandoned enlarger lens. The early Kern were not as good as later Switar lenses.
Don't forget the Alpa takes almost any top quality branded standard lens and also the adaptors often give auto diaphragm if it was practical. They also take Leica Viso tele lenses. Alpa never made lenses, they simply supplied the best available.
Stephen.
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Post by Stephen on Jul 16, 2014 17:29:53 GMT -5
Interesting. I read more about Alpa cameras on this forum than anywhere. I remember in the early 70's seeing the ads for Alpa and they were available in M42, Exakta and Nikon bayonet plus their own. At shockingly high prices. Even the photo magazines rarely mentioned them in their editorials probably 'coz of the cost. Or perhaps then they were Canikon obsessed like now. It was the only brand that gave the owner the ability to look down upon Nikon, Zeiss and Canon, and gave a special feeling of superiority over Leica, and believe me Leica were not best pleased to have such a rival. But the fatal flaw was cost, even for well heeled US customers, who made about 80 to 90% of the market for them. The Glory Days were the !950's and early 60's, but it slowed from then on. Stephen. |
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Post by paulhofseth on Jul 17, 2014 1:29:35 GMT -5
As to strange Alpa thread mounts, their extension tubes had them.
This mounting ring could not be for the early type I & II Alpas. Before the "current" Alnea mount, the mount had a much smaller diameter.
The small, apochromatic Kern Switars did come in the alnea mount, as did the Schneider Xenons. Small barrels because the aperture was set manually. The two later slightly fatter an even fatter barrels were needed to house the mechanics linking the shutter release and the aperture. The latter type would also allow the long extending macro helix.
Unfortunately, rather like ancient RollsRoyces, genuine accessories are not that abundant. The Angenieux, Kerns, Kinoptics, Spectros etc. that were idnividually tested and delivered from Pignons are hard to find.
If you would like to have an "almost original" lens, the factory did offer modified Takumars alongside the Swiss, French and German optics. These were M42mount fitted with a mount adapter and the special Alpa "snap-on" filter ring. Hence you could get any Takumars from the same years and get away with just buing the original Al-M42 adapter. The adapter itself will cost as much as a lens, but can be left on the camera body.
There are also short procuction run Japanese "made for Alpa" lenses, from the last years when Pignons were desperate to stay in business and collaborated with Chinon. These are M42 but much rarer than standard Asahi Takumars.
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Post by belgiumreporter on Jul 17, 2014 4:39:08 GMT -5
Hey guys, once again than k you whit showering me with your knowledge, i've learned in the last two days more about alpa than i did in the last 40 years. Because of the steep prices for alpa glass i think i will bide my time and maybe some day something will come along for a reasenable price. Meanwhile i've put on the only T2 mount lens i've got and thats a 300MM Panagor cat. It looks kinda bizzar but it will do for the time being.
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