truls
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Leica T
Aug 3, 2014 11:07:03 GMT -5
Post by truls on Aug 3, 2014 11:07:03 GMT -5
The honored camera and lens constructor comes into mirrorless: Leica T mirrorless systemThey also made adapter for Leica-M type manual lenses with full camera support.
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Stephen
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Leica T
Aug 3, 2014 11:24:33 GMT -5
Post by Stephen on Aug 3, 2014 11:24:33 GMT -5
But at the price surely should be a full frame...£2700, a lot of money for an APS sized sensor...nice lenses though. Stephen
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Leica T
Aug 3, 2014 12:42:42 GMT -5
Post by philbirch on Aug 3, 2014 12:42:42 GMT -5
Just looks like another mirrorless. Apart from the lenses, is it any better than Samsung, Fuji, Sony or Canon? Leica is celebrating 100 years since their first camera. I feel they could do better than this. And what's wrong with retro looking?
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Leica T
Aug 3, 2014 13:47:43 GMT -5
Post by belgiumreporter on Aug 3, 2014 13:47:43 GMT -5
Never been a fan of mirrorless cameras (especially with ridiculous add on viewfinders) this is no exeption and i wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
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Aug 3, 2014 14:15:03 GMT -5
Post by Stephen on Aug 3, 2014 14:15:03 GMT -5
A little too much design influence from Audi design....maybe camera makers should use camera users as designers..... 45 minutes to finish the body surface, and it is aluminium, anodised I presume, but not titanium hardened. All Chinese or Far East electronics? and a Japanese lens?...what's made in the new factory, presumably the bodies on a CNC machining centre, which deliver what they are programmed to.
Now if it looked like a 3G, with the same electronics, it might be a classic......
I still do not trust the modern lenses, too much of the optical performance relies on the electronics, the image from a real lens, costly all metal, all ground surfaces, is better, but the image processing fiddles with so many parameters the differences are masked, and to the buyers advantage.
But it would be nice to feel that Leica are making the glass and mechanics to the old standards, which with the modern processing should give the very best image.
This is born out in some reviews where old glass has been used on the M mount converter, via the Leica flex to M adaptor... the results are very good indeed.
Stephen.
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Leica T
Aug 3, 2014 15:04:13 GMT -5
Post by truls on Aug 3, 2014 15:04:13 GMT -5
Do I feel a negative resistance against Leica? As Leica joins the mirrorless club can indicate: 1) Mirrorless has come to stay, and Leica is approving 2) Leica want a bit of the cake from mirrorless sales SLR vs mirrorless has drawbacks and advantages. When digital slr was created, they almost converted earlier systems from film camera to digital. Mirrorless is a new creation, a product of new ideas when designing a digital camera. The small size of mirrorless you can take a camera and a few lenses in a small bag. A full frame equivalent system is much heavier and often impractical in use. Lenses for mirrorless are much cheaper than slr system. The Sony A7 fullframe mirrorless has come, and I think several other will come. By time the quality of the sensor will meet the best SLR, and Leica will be there. As for lenses, in the digital age they become upgrade-able by software, it may be good. Also there are made lots of adapters, filling the need for us who like old "real" lenses.
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Leica T
Aug 3, 2014 17:01:22 GMT -5
Post by philbirch on Aug 3, 2014 17:01:22 GMT -5
I think a negative, yes because they have jumped on the bandwagon (a little late) and a little expensive. I think point 2 is the most valid Its not exactly the same thing, but Nikon jumped on the autofocus compact bandwagon early on and they did it properly. It was a pretty normal looking AF camera but it was well made with fast, accurate, autofocus, it had a cracking lens and best of all it was priced to the market. I love mine, it still works fine 30 odd years later. regards SLR V Mirrorless. Horses for courses. I have both and wouldn't dream of photographing motorsport or other sports with a mirrorless. I think a photographer designing a camera may not be the right thing. Remember the Simpsons episode where Homer got the chance to design a new family car...
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Aug 3, 2014 17:27:05 GMT -5
Post by Stephen on Aug 3, 2014 17:27:05 GMT -5
Sit down first,....... there is a Californian company that makes the Homer for sale, admittedly a custom job only, but they have all sold!...all two of them..... and the most successful and famous cameras were all designed by photographers, Leica, Contax, Rollei etc. Stephen.
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Leica T
Aug 3, 2014 18:01:43 GMT -5
Post by philbirch on Aug 3, 2014 18:01:43 GMT -5
Sit down first,....... there is a Californian company that makes the Homer for sale, admittedly a custom job only, but they have all sold!...all two of them..... and the most successful and famous cameras were all designed by photographers, Leica, Contax, Rollei etc. Stephen. I know about the cars, you get 'life size' dolls of the kids to sit in the bubble and a set of clothes for Homer and Marge. Why can't cameras come with all these accessories? Re makes of cameras, of course you are right but the designers of the above were trend setters when they made them and what they made was new and fresh - at the time. The T is neither trendsetting, new or fresh. Its a nice average camera made expensively out of a machined block of aluminium.
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Aug 3, 2014 18:13:00 GMT -5
Post by Stephen on Aug 3, 2014 18:13:00 GMT -5
Mind you, it can go bad with a photographer designing a camera, The Compass by LeCoultre, to the designs of Lord Noel Pemberton Billing, perhaps it should be considered a very sophisticated version of a Homer, perfection in manufacture, but pretty useless as a practical camera. Stephen
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Aug 3, 2014 18:58:06 GMT -5
Post by SidW on Aug 3, 2014 18:58:06 GMT -5
Mind you, it can go bad with a photographer designing a camera, The Compass by LeCoultre, to the designs of Lord Noel Pemberton Billing, perhaps it should be considered a very sophisticated version of a Homer, perfection in manufacture, but pretty useless as a practical camera. Stephen www.submin.com/large/collection/compass/Anyone collecting it?
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Post by Stephen on Aug 4, 2014 8:22:14 GMT -5
The Compass must top the league of collectables, except for esoteric rarities and one off's, after all 4000 were made, they are rarely sold, one in the late 70's topped $20,000 at auction, reported in Modern Photography, but condition and completeness is everything with them. So little used they are usually in mint condition, as despite the claims they were not easy to use. Stephen
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