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Post by hansz on Feb 25, 2015 7:51:31 GMT -5
My 2 cents... Zeiss Ikon Voigtlander Icarex 35 with its 3 viewfinders IMG_1920 by hanszeiss, on Flickr Hans
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Post by lesdmess on Feb 25, 2015 12:00:02 GMT -5
Very much the same wih our other shop who stocked the Topcon range, the issue was the UK importer, who did not stock lenses, "only to order" and was always slow on service. The top model sat there for two years......and was the model owned by the manager who always pushed them on quality. Stephen. Stephen, We didn't even sell Topcons in my second shop because of the importer's slowness. Its a shame. My only interchangeable viewfinder camera at present. The first West german SLR with a focal plane shutter for many years. More info on this Edixa please! How is the mirror return characteristic on this?
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Post by lesdmess on Feb 25, 2015 12:00:55 GMT -5
My 2 cents... Zeiss Ikon Voigtlander Icarex 35 with its 3 viewfinders IMG_1920 by hanszeiss, on Flickr Hans This one I was not aware of previously so please more info on this too.
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Post by belgiumreporter on Feb 25, 2015 13:29:24 GMT -5
My 2 cents... Zeiss Ikon Voigtlander Icarex 35 with its 3 viewfinders IMG_1920 by hanszeiss, on Flickr Hans This one I was not aware of previously so please more info on this too. If you look closely on my photographs in this thread you'll see an icarex TM behind the black Miranda EE on the left, it is indeed one of the lesser known interchangable viewfinder cameras and the last of its breed.
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Post by hansz on Feb 25, 2015 13:29:55 GMT -5
Icarex 35, the first generation Icarex (2nd was the 35S with fixed finder). Made with a proprietary bayonet mount, therefore called the Icarex 35 BM. Later in life the 35 got M42 thread, so the beast was called a Icarex 35 TM - such naming wonder...
It was a pure Voigtlander design, quick return mirror, closed diaphragm light metering. In all, a solid, not innovative designed camera. You can find all this info in the Internet.
One of the niceties was its fastest standard lens, the Ultron 1,8/50, having a concave front lens element. Read the book of Barringer & Small about the post-war Zeiss Ikon story - really good stuff.
If more info is required, ask me...
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Post by hansz on Feb 25, 2015 13:39:09 GMT -5
And then you have the Contarex Special... pictures on the Net. Wished I got one... Due to the limited production, it fetches prices which I cannot afford:-(
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Post by lesdmess on Feb 25, 2015 13:45:50 GMT -5
Icarex 35, the first generation Icarex (2nd was the 35S with fixed finder). Made with a proprietary bayonet mount, therefore called the Icarex 35 BM. Later in life the 35 got M42 thread, so the beast was called a Icarex 35 TM - such naming wonder... It was a pure Voigtlander design, quick return mirror, closed diaphragm light metering. In all, a solid, not innovative designed camera. You can find all this info in the Internet. One of the niceties was its fastest standard lens, the Ultron 1,8/50, having a concave front lens element. Read the book of Barringer & Small about the post-war Zeiss Ikon story - really good stuff. If more info is required, ask me... Thanks for the additional info. There is a lot of contention about instant return mirror vs quick return mirror. According to what I can find on the Icarex, it was released in 1966. The source I found said instant return mirror which as we know it was initially developed by Pentax. During this time there were still others that hadn't implemented the Pentax established instant return mirror as we know it but mostly East German and Russian designs. So is it quick return mirror or the Pentax established instant return mirror?
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Post by Stephen on Feb 25, 2015 14:22:30 GMT -5
I have never realised the Ultron 1.8 50mm has a concave front element, is this correct? Such a surface would increase the view angle, as used in add on adaptors on cine etc., and move the centre of the lens forward quite a lot, but was the Icarex a leaf or focal plane. Leaf sometimes meant the use of a concave surface, but it is usually the secomnd eemnt in, not the outer one. The Kern Pizar for 8mm cine has a concave front, making a super wide retofocus for D mount. Stephen.
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Post by Stephen on Feb 25, 2015 14:34:53 GMT -5
The very first 35mm reflex with instant return was the Zunow, but it never achieved any real production run. The first proper production run was the Pentax. At the same period the Firstflex also had an instant return, but oHh...so basic!
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Post by lesdmess on Feb 25, 2015 15:21:54 GMT -5
The very first 35mm reflex with instant return was the Zunow, but it never achieved any real production run. The first proper production run was the Pentax. At the same period the Firstflex also had an instant return, but oHh...so basic! Do you have a Zunow or Firstflex? According to this link - Cameraquest - Zunow SLR, the Zunow was released in 1958 and had a Wink Mirror System which from what I understand is not the same as the Pentax instant return mirror released in the 1954 Asahiflex-IIB. According to this link - Chris's Camera Firstflex-35, the Firstflex was released in 1955 which is later than the 1954 Asahiflex-IIB.
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Post by hansz on Feb 26, 2015 4:26:41 GMT -5
For Stephen, some shots of the Ultron 1,8/50 lens (which demands high prices on the Bay these days - and I got a couple...:-) The camera: IMG_1925 by hanszeiss, on Flickr Its lens: IMG_1923 by hanszeiss, on Flickr and yes, it has a concave front element: IMG_1922 by hanszeiss, on Flickr Hans
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Post by philbirch on Feb 26, 2015 4:37:47 GMT -5
My only interchangeable viewfinder camera at present. The first West german SLR with a focal plane shutter for many years. More info on this Edixa please! How is the mirror return characteristic on this? No mirror return on this model. This particular model was made 1957 or 1958. A very early version. Its solid and business like and is nice to use. The ground glass is coarse and hard to focus. I replaced it with a screen from a broken Minolta AF camera, now its bright and easy to focus. The viewfinder holds the screen in place. The camera was part of a 8 camera deal for £25. The Waist level finder was £10. The nice Lithagon was traded for the lens off the broken Minolta AF. Happy days.
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Post by Stephen on Feb 26, 2015 6:44:07 GMT -5
I have got the Firstflex, but not a Zunow, apart from a Zunow lens in Leica/Canon thread. I very deliberatly did not put quoted years for the Zunow or Firstflex, as the Zunow took at least four years between being shown and getting to "production". Zunow did claim to be first, but they were not in proper production. The last model of the Rectaflex from Italy had an instant return mirror, but the number made hardly qualifies as production! Wink mirror is ancient, even my 1920's 6x9 Houghton Butcher reflex has wink type, the rise of the mirror fires the focal plane shutter, and the release of the presuure drops the mirror back. The Firstflex uses the mirror as the shutter!! Stephen.
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Post by lesdmess on Feb 26, 2015 18:29:12 GMT -5
This one I was not aware of previously so please more info on this too. If you look closely on my photographs in this thread you'll see an icarex TM behind the black Miranda EE on the left, it is indeed one of the lesser known interchangable viewfinder cameras and the last of its breed. Missed that. Even in the larger version image I still can't make out the nameplate but I will take your word for it. That's quite a collection! Which do you use the most and which do you use the least?
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Post by lesdmess on Feb 26, 2015 18:36:41 GMT -5
More info on this Edixa please! How is the mirror return characteristic on this? No mirror return on this model. This particular model was made 1957 or 1958. A very early version. Its solid and business like and is nice to use. The ground glass is coarse and hard to focus. I replaced it with a screen from a broken Minolta AF camera, now its bright and easy to focus. The viewfinder holds the screen in place. The camera was part of a 8 camera deal for £25. The Waist level finder was £10. The nice Lithagon was traded for the lens off the broken Minolta AF. Happy days. Thanks for the info and great deal. I was recently made aware of this model and will have to keep an eye out for it. Not commmon here in my neck of the woods.
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