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Post by belgiumreporter on May 24, 2016 11:41:49 GMT -5
Why did i buy this lot, consisting of three agfa point and shoots a few agfa flashguns and an agfa-gevaert rondinax 60 ? Well for the sole reason the brand new rondinax 60 was included, for those of you who don't know what the rondinax is, it's a full daylight 120 film size developing tank, yes you don't need a darkroom or changing bag to load it. It comes in very handy when i occasionally want to develop one of my 120 roll films, wich is now possible just about anywhere with all the lights on. These developing tanks are long out of production and if you want one you'll have to find it second hand or as in my case as NOS. Problem is they are being sold for silly prices (100€ is no exeption) and they are in many cases damaged as they are made out of bakelite and can't whitstand falling or taking a blow. The only reason i got it cheap was because the ad said "Agfa cameras and bits and pieces" you had to look close to see the rondinax in the picture. Anyway i was the only bidder and got the lot for 15€ + 10€ postage. I already have a few agfa Optima sensor camera's, with this purchase i've become a bit unwilling collector of these P&S camera's, guess i'll have to see it as colateral damage or try to get rid of them in the next yard sale.  |
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Post by julio1fer on May 25, 2016 20:55:46 GMT -5
I am trying to get a Rondinax 60 right now. I hope that your post does not raise the price! :-)
as for the Agfa cameras - I have two 1035 sensors. These were a joy to use in the street, way before cell phones. My late father got in jail briefly for using one of these during our difficult 1970s.
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Post by hannes on May 29, 2016 14:06:48 GMT -5
At least it raised the interest. There was one on ebay these days, sold for approx 150 euro
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Post by hannes on Jun 16, 2016 12:07:10 GMT -5
I am trying to get a Rondinax 60 right now. I hope that your post does not raise the price! :-) as for the Agfa cameras - I have two 1035 sensors. These were a joy to use in the street, way before cell phones. My late father got in jail briefly for using one of these during our difficult 1970s. Could you get one? I watched some auctions, prices for the Rodinax 60 are far way off for my budget. Could at least get a Rodinax 35U looking like new with box and instruction. Also not cheap but the idea not needing a dark room or fidle around in a changing bag made me want one. Over the weekend I should shot a roll of B&W film to be able to test it when it arrives. Can't decide which camera to take: untested Minox 35PL or unteted Kodak Retinette? Hannes |
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Post by julio1fer on Jul 6, 2016 21:07:44 GMT -5
Just read this, sorry for not following up!
I could not get that Rondinax 60, it went way beyond reason. I do have a 35U that does the job, quite practical if you are methodical with your liquid solutions and have everything measured beforehand, including water for washing. I have a couple of plastic glasses with a 200 ml level marked with indelible pen, those come handy with the Rondinax.
About Minox or Retinette, how about half a roll with each one?
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Post by hannes on Aug 5, 2016 12:58:22 GMT -5
What is the magic of the Rondinax 60?
I watched some auctions during the last month and wonder what is pulling the price beyond 100€. Is this a hype?
Are the people using it or do they end as decoration?
Hannes
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Post by belgiumreporter on Aug 5, 2016 18:22:55 GMT -5
What is the magic of the Rondinax 60? I watched some auctions during the last month and wonder what is pulling the price beyond 100€. Is this a hype? Are the people using it or do they end as decoration? Hannes The "magic" consist of the sole fact the rondinax tank can be loaded in broad daylight. With film enthousiast who use medium format cameras its a very good solution if they haven't got or don't want a dark room. Once developed the film can be scanned for further processing if classic dark room prints aren't needed. One could argue a normal developing tank and a changing bag are up to the task as well, but i challenge anyone to fumble a 120 film on to the spool of a patterson (or similar) developing tank in a changing bag , it can be done but it won't be fun ! As the rondinax is out of production for quite some time, those who want one will fall victim of the laws of supply and demand. Is it a hype? who can tell? mostly hypes are recognised once they are over. All this and the fact to self develop film gives a large amount of control on the outcome, a huge time advantage over lab developing, and is more economical. Maybe all this dosn't justify the often ridiculous prices for the rondinax but it might explain why they are sought after. |
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Post by raybar on Aug 5, 2016 22:11:32 GMT -5
I load Patterson tanks and reels in a changing bag without difficulty. But not just any changing bag. The main problem using a changing bag is the bag itself. The fabric is always in the way, always against your hands, against the reel, against the film. Very frustrating. Particularly in hot weather. The solution is any device or method to keep the bag open and out of the way. An inexpensive trick is to put a box in the bag, which keeps the fabric out of the way, but then the box might be in the way. The excellent but expensive solution is a changing tent. I "inherited" one from some movie or TV show I worked on years ago, and it was part of my assistant cameraman kit on many shows thereafter. I doubt I would ever have purchased one myself, as the box in the bag solution works well enough, and the tent costs as much as some cameras. The same model, and some even larger ones, are still on the market: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/172897-REG/Harrison_1001_Standard_Film_Changing_Tent.html |
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Post by hannes on Sept 5, 2016 12:32:06 GMT -5
What is the magic of the Rondinax 60? I watched some auctions during the last month and wonder what is pulling the price beyond 100€. Is this a hype? Are the people using it or do they end as decoration? Hannes The "magic" consist of the sole fact the rondinax tank can be loaded in broad daylight. With film enthousiast who use medium format cameras its a very good solution if they haven't got or don't want a dark room. Hello: Daylight loading is indeed magic. I could get a Bakelite Rondinax 60 for a price I could accept. It looks good, rubber seal is hard and it leaks a litle bit at the axle. I developed 2 old expired test films in it and it seems that it has a light leak. The whole film looks like preexposed, images are visible. Where could the leak be located? Has anyone experience with this? I also developed 3 films in my Rondinax 35U without big problems. Here I also used expired films. 2 of 3 came out quite good. One has way too much contrast. What developing times do you use, rotation times or normal times as for 30/3 developing? My developers are Atomal A49 1+1 and Fomadon LQN 1+10, sometimes Fomadon LQR 1+10 if I want high contrast. Is there a way to find the "Birthday" of a Rondinax? I know that the manuals have the printing date on the last page and some Rondinax should have a date stamped on the bottom. My 60 has a manual dated 11-38 and has stamped 43/S on the bottom. My 35U has a manual dated 12-72 and no date mark on the bottom. I like developing with the Rondinax but have to solve the light leaking problem on the 60 before I use it again. The 35U is ready to be used on some important film. Hannes |
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Post by hannes on Oct 3, 2016 15:56:16 GMT -5
The "magic" consist of the sole fact the rondinax tank can be loaded in broad daylight. With film enthousiast who use medium format cameras its a very good solution if they haven't got or don't want a dark room. Hello: I developed 2 old expired test films in it and it seems that it has a light leak. The whole film looks like preexposed, images are visible. Where could the leak be located? It's been the old films, not a light leak :-) The films have been way too old and had heavy fogging. Shot a new Fomapan 100 professional and it came out really fine after 8'30" in A49 @20° The only problem was that the Foma film is not curling and causes some trouble during loading into the first chamber. Hannes |
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