This highlights the difficulty of putting cameras into categories, though this is excellent for quickly finding a certain type of camera. For example, the Super Speedex really belongs wherever we put its Agfa brother the Super Isolette and higher quality folders like the Super Ikonta. The cheaper Super Regent is sort of halfway between those and the Popular Post War folders, but the Memar (and Super Memar) I feel belong firmly with their Silette brothers in the Popular section.
Maybe we should give it some more thought and possibly ammend some of the section titles with for example - and this is only a first thought, not a proposal - 'Including RF folders'?
But relabelling needs a bit more planning and thought than just rushing off a couple of quick changes. Possibly a sub-heading when a section is opened, such as 'for xxx etc see yyy section would help? I feel if we don't plan it properly the whole board could grow and grow like Topsy with the danger of becoming unwieldy with range names split all over the place.
Of course you can have an infinite sub-division of classes and types but I wouldn't want to make the message board any more complicated than it is. The Folders file is in the Medium Format section anyway so presumably would exclude the 35mm folders mentioned. Under The Rangefinder Cameras I'd include any fixed lens 35mm viewfinder camera but then there are always exceptions I suppose Of course there are also medium format cameras that are not folders, TLR or SLR. It can get all very complicated ....................
Post by David Silver on Oct 11, 2005 6:04:32 GMT -5
Traditionally, if it has bellows, it's categorized as a folding camera. Simple as that. The accepted exception is for 35mm cameras, where bellows are usually ignored. When I see something like the Super Speedex above (a medium format camera for #120 roll film), I immediately say folding camera. The rangefinder doesn't mean a thing. But when I see the Super Regent (a 35mm camera with bellows), I immediately say 35mm camera. The bellows doesn't mean a thing, but, ironically neither does the rangefinder! The truth is that the rangefinder shows up everywhere, across all sorts of styles and formats, so it doesn't make a reliable category of its own. For example, look at Leica. A Leica IIIf is a coupled rangefinder 35mm camera with interchangeable lenses, no doubt about it, so we'd obviously discuss it in the section on 35mm rangefinder cameras with interchangeable lenses. Okay, now how about a Leica If. Practically a perfect twin of the IIIf, same body, same interchangeable lenses, same 35mm film, but it doesn't have a rangefinder! Do we still discuss it in the section on 35mm rangefinder cameras? You see, the problem is the darn rangefinder! It's a qualifier, not a category of its own! Rather than thinking of ways to break down some of these categories into ever diminishing sections with more miniscule qualifiers, I think categories should remain more general and allow the threads to generate their own qualifiers. Care to hear my suggestions?
Well, don't get mad at me folks, but my post was intended to be 'tongue in cheek' as I was trying to share what I found. The membership must excuse me...I'm just a big happy teddy bear, and I like to look at life with a somewhat whimsical attitude. My friends all tell me I should have been a comedian.
Jimmy appeared in London, at the London Palladium, many years ago in a show 'An Evening with Durante'. I watched it on television, and at the end of his scheduled time when he got a standing ovation with shouts of "More!" Jimmy said something like: 'If anyone's got to catch the last train home I'll just remind them of the time. For those who want to stay, I'm gonna grab a cuppa coffee. I'll be back in ten.' I don't think anyone left.
He came back with an extra half-hour. The cameras recorded this, and the BBC showed it in a special late night prgramme the following evening. Part of the time Jimmy left the piano, came to the front of the stage and ad-libbed, wisecracking and swapping gags with the audience. That was when he made the quotable remark I quoted.
You mention Jimmy Durante now and people have no clue who you are talking about. I grew up with my Dad's record collection. Oscar Levant, Jerry Kaluna (sp), The Ink Spots, The Harmonica Rascals, The Harmonicats, Jimmy Durante, Perry Como, Frank Fontane, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Rose Mary Clooney, Jerry Vale, and many others. When the kids were listening to the Beatles I was playin Dads records.
Jimmy Durante .... the man with the nose ..... or is it the other way round Randy I've recently acquired a collection of old records with many of the performers you mention. They don't make them like that anymore ......... mores the pity.