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Post by Th1nk3r on Aug 11, 2011 5:32:33 GMT -5
First time I got this camera, a Pentax K2 , it feel like the others 70s SLR... full metal and bulky, with specific mirror and shutter curtain sound. I found that the metering is still working, so the automatic fuction can be work as well. With a roll of color negatif film, I tried this camera at a special event in the Balinese Pura not far from my home. didon.=
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Post by Th1nk3r on Aug 11, 2011 5:33:28 GMT -5
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Post by Th1nk3r on Aug 11, 2011 5:41:44 GMT -5
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Post by daveh on Aug 11, 2011 12:02:31 GMT -5
So here are the colour photos - just as Mickey requested. Excellent they are too. As Bob said on the other thread it it interesting to see photos of an event we will probably never witness first hane.
What speed was the film exposed at?
I do think that digital scores over film in its ability to vary the film speed shot by shot if necessary. That said, I don't think digital grain is as pleasing as film grain.
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Post by mickeyobe on Aug 11, 2011 14:50:39 GMT -5
I don't think digital grain is as pleasing as film grain. I have rarely found grain particularly pleasing. Oh. Allright. Rice, buckwheat, corn, quinoa etc. are pretty good. Mickey
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Post by Th1nk3r on Aug 11, 2011 21:47:34 GMT -5
it was ASA 100 , process at local minilab... sadly, that is not the best one .. that why I love shot in BW better than color film ..... we can control almost everything... didon.-
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Post by mickeyobe on Aug 11, 2011 22:15:44 GMT -5
didon,
I never liked working in the darkroom very much so I was willing to give up the control which you so correctly prefer. I used colour slide film almost exclusively - mostly Fujichrome 100 ASA. My control had, of necessity, to be whatever I could induce my camera to do for me. I did ocasionally make Cibachrome prints but there is very little control with them. Bless Photoshop that provides virtually unlimited and previously unimagined control without chemical stains and odours.
I am a great lover of colour and I feel that in pictures like yours where there is so much going on and so many things to see that colour offers better separation of the many elements as well as the glorious bright and subtle hues that tell us so much about people and things.
Colour and black and white are two separate mediums with differing characteristics just as are oil paints and waterclours and each must be judged on its own merits.
As someone once said, "Vive la difference".
Mickey
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Post by Th1nk3r on Aug 11, 2011 23:33:18 GMT -5
Mickey Honestly, like I was said in other thread, I dont really care about the final result. I just want to get the 'feel' of the whole process, start from load the film, set the speed and aperture, push the shutter, unloading, process, .... until hang the print on the wall , and in my place the most possible process I can do ( other than digital ) is only negative BW. Slide photography is still a dream for me, due to difficulty to find mini lab that can process it and almost impossible to buy the E6 kit from aboard. The last E6 minilab was closed 5 years ago when I still learned to use my dslr and its lightroom post processing. Only 2-3 roll of Ektachome and Velvia that I ever try last year when my friend can bought the E6 DIY kit from Japan. This is the first roll of slide I ever shot, and was processed using that kit ...... hopefully is not the last .. Color photography is wonderful world, we can capture what we see and digital science make it possible in simple and practical way..... and cheaper, too.... I do a digital photography using my dslr for documentation of my fam , but until now I still missing the 'feel' of process that I I get from the analog one. 100% agree with your statement about color and BW, and hopefully someday I can enjoy the color photography 'feel' using negative or positive film like what you do in Toronto. btw, in your practical experience which one is better for tropical area.... Ektachrome or Fujichrome? didon.-
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Post by mickeyobe on Aug 12, 2011 5:51:41 GMT -5
didon,
"btw, in your practical experience which one is better for tropical area.... Ektachrome or Fujichrome?"
I have no tropical experience at all other than the oppressive summer heat waves we experience here in Toronto.
I tried Ektachrome years ago but preferred the colour rendition of Fujichrome. I have also tried Kodachrome (ASA 10, 25, 64), Anscochrome, Ferraniacolor, Agfachrome, Polachrome and some others. In my opinion, and it is highly personal, Ilford Colour and Fujichrome were the best for my tastes. I expect nobody to agree with me. I have no doubt that the processing had much to do with the final results and my preferences.
Nobody can argue with your admirable desire to experience the full gamut of the photographic experience.
My experiences which ran from processing orthochrome black and white film by see-sawing it in open trays under a ruby light to making Cibachrome prints from transparencies was born of necessity and curiosity. It was enjoyable but, for me, tedious. I am a converted digital user for good.
I hope the products that you want become available to you. I suppose having someone purchase them for you or you purchase them by mail order from a reputable dealer here in North America or in Europe or Australia and shipping them to you could prove very expensive. But it's a thought.
Your picture is excellent and delightful.
Mickey
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Post by Th1nk3r on Aug 12, 2011 8:21:58 GMT -5
Mickey sometime we order film that cannot be found in jakarta from Freestyle or eBay, but the E6 kit cannot deliver overseas because there are some corrosive liquid included in that kit, only special courier service can accept to deliver it in a large quantity ... and like you said, with very expensive and irrational price for personal use Ilford colour and Fujichrome, I will make that films as my experimental target if it possible. thank you for your info and comment for my pict. didon.-
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Post by daveh on Aug 12, 2011 13:24:07 GMT -5
I don't know which is reckoned to be the best for tropical use. I have used most of Mickeys list at some time or other -I don't think I've used either Polachrome or Anscochrome though. Other films I've used are Perutz and Prinzcolor (sold by the Dixons chain of shops). Did Sakura make a slide film?. There might have been others, but I can't think of the names and even Wiki doesn't seem to have list to help jog my memory. Mind you, it could be that they were just all re-branded Ferrania or the like. I have just though of one - Barfen, which I think was marketed by one of the other shop chains.
I'm not sure where this is getting us though.
Didon, have you tried using a normal B&W developer for the first bath, then stop bath, reverse using a light source and then using a normal negative developer for the colour and finally a bleach bath, wash and fix? I'm not sure how it would come out - but you might get some interesting results.
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Post by Th1nk3r on Aug 12, 2011 18:10:17 GMT -5
Dave, in our local darkroom forum, we discuss some kind like that to produce a positive result from BW negative, and Lucky SHD 100 which has clearest seluloid base is our fav for that procedure the sequence at our room temp @ 26*C - parodinal 1:10 12' , 30"+ 10" at first 2 sec - wash - bleach 4', agitate as fast as possible - wash - clearing 3', slow agitate - wash - re-exposure 2' each side - wash - parodinal 1:20 6', slow agitate - wash - fixed using Hypo solution as a bleach, my friend Padmanto suggest to use PK solution + Accu zurr (H2SO4) , for developer we use DIY paRodinal from Paracetamol tablet + NaOH. There is no colour C41 kit around us.. Is that the process that you mean? We still want to try that process with other film that can be found in our city (trix, "neopan", hp5, era), if you can give suggestion which one is the best, that will be very helpfull. * why there is no darkroom sub-forum in this site ? didon.-
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Post by mickeyobe on Aug 12, 2011 19:19:50 GMT -5
"* why there is no darkroom sub-forum in this site ? "
didon, I am afraid that darkrooms are passé and that very few people have one or even access to one any more. Mine is still intact but I rarely set foot in it other than for the occasional vacuum cleaning. I was hoping that a local school's photography class would use it but they no longer cover darkroom work in their course. Darkrooms seem to have gone the way of blacksmiths' shops - interesting historical relics of a bygone era. Mickey
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Post by daveh on Aug 12, 2011 19:55:03 GMT -5
Didon, I was meaning processing reversal film using chemicals you coulld buy locally as a substitute for the E6 chemicals. In the good old days before negative film was masked it could be used to give negative or reversal in colour or B&W (with varying degrees of success).
While I haven't a darkroom set up now I do have all the gear to use if I 'get the urge'. I think it is good to learn how to do it 'the old way' and to experiment with things. We've probably all been there before and might go there again. However as Mickey has said in the past digital is so much easier and cheaper.
Dave.
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Post by Th1nk3r on Aug 13, 2011 10:36:54 GMT -5
Mickey
"Darkrooms seem to have gone the way of blacksmiths' shops - interesting historical relics of a bygone era." .... even that is a fact but still so sad to hear that.
I am sure all of you in this forum were a darkroom maniac in the past, so it is make me to collect an information as much as I can from all of you, if you dont mind..... even we can read from the book about darkroom if we want to know it, but it still different if we can discuss something with a people that did it in the past.
a trash for somebody can be a treasure for the others... just like a gear we collect right now, a darkroom experience can be the same example.
Dave,
"In the good old days before negative film was masked it could be used to give negative or reversal in colour or B&W.... "
nice info... now I know why in the box of Lucky film they said it can be used as a reversal...
is it possible to make a colour reversal film from a BW negative ?
didon.-
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