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Post by Stephen on Jan 21, 2013 15:49:40 GMT -5
There are a lot of the Cocarette variations, 68 quoted on one site!, and the variation of struts you have is in pictures on the net, but a different shutter. Has the back got multi windows? It may have done two per frame using a now missing mask in the film frame, as with 645 on 120 etc.
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Post by Stephen on Jan 21, 2013 15:55:40 GMT -5
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Post by bmoss on Jan 21, 2013 16:20:02 GMT -5
Hi Stephen
I checked the link you provided for the 127 Cocarette and the camera is virtually identical except for the film format and my camera does not have the fold down sports finder.
Thank you
Bernie
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Post by Stephen on Jan 21, 2013 16:27:45 GMT -5
129 is very, very, unusual, 129 roll film is 1⅞" × 3" format, but I was not aware Zeiss used it. Ensign made the film size themselves as they manufactured film as well as cameras, and it was made to get around 127 Kodak and Ansco patents on 45mm wide film.
Measure the spool width and see if it is 45mmm or not.
No chance of finding 129 these days, it would have to be slit from 120, and a black backing paper made to suit.
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Post by bmoss on Jan 21, 2013 16:53:00 GMT -5
The film spool is about 52mm wide. The width of the film frame is exactli 1 3/8" wide and 3" long
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Bernie
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Post by Lithium on Jan 21, 2013 17:34:54 GMT -5
The back has a single windows, centrally located, which seems to be on a rotating plate. I cannot rotate the plate.
The round plate is removable, it rotates counter-clockwise a few degrees (a bayonet fitting) and allows access to the rear lens for cleaning.
I would leave it alone unless you want to take pictures.
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Post by Stephen on Jan 21, 2013 17:47:21 GMT -5
129 was originated by Kodak just before WW1, mainly for Ensign, ( Houghton Butcher), cameras, who took over the size as the main user. Voigtländer used the 129 size as did Contessa Nettel, who became part of Zeiss, the Cocaratte brand becoming one of the range.
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Post by Peltigera on Jan 21, 2013 17:49:34 GMT -5
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Post by hansz on Jan 21, 2013 17:55:38 GMT -5
Bernard,
Can you provide the body number (1 letter, up to 5 numbers)? On my Cocarettes it is stamped on the top cover of the back, you can see it only when it is opened.
Then I can provide you with more information.
Hans
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Post by bmoss on Jan 21, 2013 22:13:33 GMT -5
I checked very carefully but am not able to make out any numbers stamped on the leatherette.
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Benie
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Post by hansz on Jan 22, 2013 3:44:13 GMT -5
As my Cocarettes are stowed somewhere (sounds familiar??) I can't produce the right spot to look now. Did you try the caariage?
Hans
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Post by Peltigera on Jan 22, 2013 9:19:31 GMT -5
I checked very carefully but am not able to make out any numbers stamped on the leatherette. Thanks Benie I find using a 5x magnifying glass helps. Stampings can be hard to find on the leatherette as the lettering merges into the texture, but the magnification definitely helps. |
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Post by mickeyobe on Jan 22, 2013 9:37:18 GMT -5
I checked very carefully but am not able to make out any numbers stamped on the leatherette. Thanks Benie I find using a 5x magnifying glass helps. Stampings can be hard to find on the leatherette as the lettering merges into the texture, but the magnification definitely helps. Sometimes shallow cross lighting will reveal something. It should be tried from all directions relative to the subject. Mickey |
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Post by bmoss on Jan 22, 2013 13:14:37 GMT -5
I have examined the camera minutely using a magnifying glass and find no trace of any number. I would love to find a reference for a Zeiss Ikin Cocarette that use 129 film and produces a 3 1/2 X 7 1/2 Centimeter negative. My camera does not have a frame finder or a folding optical sports finder.
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Post by Stephen on Jan 22, 2013 16:14:30 GMT -5
You can try a pinch of white talc powder on the leather, it will clean away easily, do not get it near the shutter or lens, of course. It gathers in the patterns, numbers etc., to make them more visible.
Zeiss never had really consistent marking positions, and variants are legion, they did not throw away parts, they used up the existing parts on new versions! This seems to explain the long levity of some Zeiss designs, and the multitude of variants
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