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Post by Peter S. on Mar 4, 2008 5:03:27 GMT -5
... and I think some 140 people are sick of it, too. Happened on Saturday during severe strom "Emma" in Hamburg, Germany. A wing touched the runway, and You see the firing of the engines two seconds later (fan engines react slow  ). P PS: er, it looks like it was something about 4 seconds until the thrust came... |
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Post by PeterW on Mar 4, 2008 8:30:58 GMT -5
Remarkable amateur video, Peter.
I'll bet the pilot had a few busy moments. I can't agree with the comments from some people who criticised him, and I take my hat off to him for a commendable piece of flying.
It was reported in the UK that the pilot landed successfully on the second attempt.
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Post by Peter S. on Mar 4, 2008 8:54:01 GMT -5
Peter,
I saw the video first in the news on TV. And yes, this pilot is for sure a master in his art.
On the other hand, the successful landing took place on the second runway, which is
perpendicular to the one seen in the video. Apparently the amount of cross wind was
much lower on the second runway, so that the question is still open, why the first try took
place on the less suited one.
I won't ever forget travelling to Berlin six or seven years ago. It was stormy, but far more
quiet than storm Emma. It was a small Beechcraft plane with 18 sets in a tiny cabin. The pilot
left the cockpit door open, and one could see how much troubles he had keeping the direction.
I was sick after touchdown having troubles not to throw up. But the smaller airplane is supposed
to be much more manoeuvrable.
But I give my kudos not only to the pilot. The airplane seems to react pretty well, too.
Best regards
Peter
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2008 9:16:42 GMT -5
I saw that video on the news and while everyone was praising the pilot I thought about a pilot friend of mine who always said "it's better to be lucky than to be good." That pilot used up all his luck. It's unbelievable he was able to get that plane back in the air. Most people aren't aware of the throttle lag inherit to fan jets.
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Post by PeterW on Mar 4, 2008 10:35:25 GMT -5
It's also said that Lady Luck favours the skilled. Allowing for the time lag of fan jets his decision to abort and reaction must have been pretty fast after a wind gust overcooked his rudder correction and turned it into a sideslip. But I agree with Peter about the bad decision by air traffic control to allocate that runway for his first landing. No doubt questions will be asked at the official enquiry. I can imagine that if he made a comment at the time it was recorded on the black box and included Ach Scheisse!
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Post by nikonbob on Mar 4, 2008 11:39:15 GMT -5
I hope everyone had leder hossen on being less leak prone than other materials. On a serious note, they were blessed to have a good pilot with an enormous amount of good luck at the controls. If I was the ATC I don't think I would want to cross paths with the pilot right away.
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Post by Peter S. on Mar 4, 2008 17:59:41 GMT -5
Got a few more information from TV.
On these poor conditions the pilot can chose the runway he/she wants. Both runways were open for them.
She (female 24 years young co-pilote) did chose this one, a) because it is the preferred one, cause of noise immission, and more important, the other one is not equiped with instrument landing system ILS.
b) wind direction was OK 15 minutes ago when they started landing manoeuvre.
The only question open so far is why they tried to land here rather than going to Hannover or Frankfurt. And whether there should be a rule not to land on that adverse conditions.
I hope I won't ever face a situation like that...
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Post by Just Plain Curt on Mar 5, 2008 5:29:37 GMT -5
I've seen this incident on the news. Scary for sure, excellent pilot skills. I'd need to find a bathroom to empty my shorts after this but any landing you can walk away from should be considered a good one.
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Post by minoltaman on Mar 5, 2008 9:17:12 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but the Air Traffic Control people are to blame for this near disaster. The flight should have been diverted to another airport altogether.
Plus a 24 year old female co-pilot?! Oh, no, that can't be true and if it is, I'll never fly Lufthansa! I'm sorry, but that's unacceptable. When I get on a plane I want to see two middle age men with white hair flying my plane.
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Post by PeterW on Mar 5, 2008 12:15:53 GMT -5
Seems everyone was caught unawares by the shift in wind direction and the gusting.
Tommy, you wrote:
I think you're possibly being a little unfair on younger pilots. A lot of young men between 19 and 25 fly military jets at speeds which demand high skill and fast reactions.
I never flew in combat when I was in the RAF, but it was the Squadron Commander's policy that the team leader of the ground crew who signed the aircaft off as airworthy after a repair flew with the pilot on the air test. Most of the pilots were in their early 20s.
One, a young Polish pilot, scared the crap out of me one day when he sideslipped a Lancaster (almost unheard of) to lose height because his early landing approach over Nottingham was too high. In reply to my "Bluddy 'ell" he calmly said "Perfectly safe if you know what you're doing". He got ticked off by the CO for doing it, but most Polish (and Australian) pilots with the RAF at that time had a reputation for not paying a lot of heed to regulations. Nowadays I'm sure Polish and Australian pilots flying passenger jets do everything by the book.
I also watched quite a few young female pilots in the ATA (Air Transport Auxiliary) deliver new aircraft from the factory to the RAF airfield. Their handling of even the big stuff was always impeccable.
My late brother-in-law was a Lancaster pilot during the war when he was in his mid twenties. I saw his log book, and he had two green entries for bringing home a badly damaged and unresponsive plane with wounded crew members on board and landing it safely.
I would have no qualms about flying with a young pilot, male or female. They serve a lot of hours as co-pilots before they become Captains.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2008 12:26:45 GMT -5
A good share of combat pilots around the world probably are in their 20s.
When we flew to Frankfurt from San Francisco a year ago on a 747 400, our pilot was a woman. Don't know how old she was.
The profession where I do think age and experience matters is doctors. Don't care about gender but I want someone with years of experience checking my problems.
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