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Post by daveh on Apr 5, 2012 21:29:54 GMT -5
I've put them side by side, one above the other. Berndt, I can see on yours that they is flash shadow - might his not account for the appearance Mickey is talking about, although it does look different.
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Post by daveh on Apr 5, 2012 21:32:15 GMT -5
Berndt, hey, I've just had another thought - do a swap with Mickey.
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Post by Berndt on Apr 5, 2012 22:09:05 GMT -5
That's the actually best idea so far ... hahaha ... BTW, have you ever used it Mickey ? I don't want to suggest Daves idea with that, just wonder if yours have been okay ... and the two holes covered. That's definitely the case The problem is, that manufacturers probably never thought, that somebody might need to get his camera repaired 60 years later. Interesting story besides the thread: I once got a rare and very valuable ( at least for me ) FL lens repaired by Canon here in Tokyo. They really did it ... even the lens is 50 years old ... but Fujifilm refused in another case. Yes, it might just have been a flash shadow. I am really curious, if this case can be solved. What drives me crazy is, that it is possibly just a tiny thing, easy to fix ( if being found ). I don't want to abandon this wonderful camera, because it works fantastic ... if it wouldn't be light leaking. Getting a full functionable camera of this type is really lucky. Usually, there are more severe failures. I have so many selenium meter cameras, but most of them are not working properly anymore, even the meter is moving. Oh ... and no idea, how to remove the top ?
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Post by Berndt on Apr 5, 2012 23:42:17 GMT -5
I think, it's getting personaly between this camera and me ... hahaha ... I will sacrifice another film and taped EVERYTHING. We'll see
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Post by mickeyobe on Apr 6, 2012 0:45:17 GMT -5
berndt, "What about those two tiny holes beside the rewinding knob ?" - "Presumably if there are holes there, they are there for a reason..." My camera has 3 holes. Using a 10x loupe they appear to be tapped. Possibly for screws on the other side. Probably to secure the chain that keeps the resident film fogging firefly from escaping.
berndt, "BTW, have you ever used it Mickey ?" I am one of those weird wacos who has little desire to put film through every camera I possess.
The bottom of the rewind shaft on exhibit A (your camera) looks like it flares out to form a tiny flange. Exhibit B (my camera) the bottom of the shaft is smoothly rounded. Another flash illusion?
dave, "Berndt, hey, I've just had another thought - do a swap with Mickey. " Don't even suggest such a curse.
"I am really curious, if this case can be solved. " Elementary my dear Watson. Put it aside for a couple of years when we will all be 2 years wiser.
Sympathetically, Mickey
It is 1:46 am. And so to bed.
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Post by Berndt on Apr 6, 2012 2:21:34 GMT -5
Mickey, I always love your humor I will certainly come to this point sooner or later too Even I still try to use every camera at least ones, there are already many, I haven't used twice. But ... this would be a camera, I would certainly use regularly. I own many not perfectly working cameras and I don't mind ... because I wouldn't use them often anyway, but those selenium based auto exposure cameras are awesome ... and I never expected them, working so well. It's some kind of perfect 35 mm camera for me. I don't like autofocus and batteries, but those older ones, having just a viewfinder and/or no reliable working lightmeter are not really convenient as well. I just got a Voigtlaender Vito, a friend of my mother kindly gave to me. Beautiful camera ... but still no rangefinder and the selenium meter moves, but just giving pretty weird measurings. I have a few of those cameras. Nice collectables ... and more beautiful than this Konica ... but ... Okay, I need to go to the photo shop and pick up my test film of today. Getting slowly expensive, this chase
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Post by daveh on Apr 6, 2012 3:52:28 GMT -5
Berndt, with my ongoing (and I presume fairly permanent internet problems - until the 'companies' get their fingers out and install more capacity in the system) I hadn't really seen your close up of the holes till just now. They certainly seem strange and 'not neat', as though they have been drilled through after manufacture.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if sealing them off resolved the problem.
Wouldn't it be awful if sealing them off resolved the problem: doing so would spoil an excellent thread. ;D
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Post by daveh on Apr 6, 2012 4:25:48 GMT -5
In terms of getting the top off:
I would imagine you need some non-making grips to remove the top of the rewind knob, flash front stop and suchlike to get at the fastening mechanism. Underneath there will be be screws, nuts and similar which hold the top on. Well, I presume there will be.
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Post by mickeyobe on Apr 6, 2012 5:38:14 GMT -5
In terms of getting the top off: I would imagine you need some non-making grips to remove the top of the rewind knob, flash front stop and suchlike to get at the fastening mechanism. Underneath there will be be screws, nuts and similar which hold the top on. Well, I presume there will be. Two holes on the top of the film advance lever when attacked with the proper spanner or a sturdy navigator's dividers and A slotted screw under the flip up handle of the rewind knob and with any luck - sproingggg - the top should slide off. If not - Chose your weapon. Mickey
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Post by 33dollars on Apr 6, 2012 6:27:19 GMT -5
Could light be leaking through the selenium light meter window? Around the lens & past the shutter/aperture controls to the light box baffle. Maybe worth a couple of shots to check. If it has a fixed shutter speed of 1/125, set aperture & make a cardboard mask for the selenium window. take 6 shot
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Post by Berndt on Apr 6, 2012 7:12:44 GMT -5
I have been very close to using one of those during the last days ... but ... I think, I got it !!! Needs some final approval by shooting another film tomorrow, but I think, I found it I think, it's ... this metal box, frame, chamber or how I should call it, sitting between the lens and the film window. It has been slightly loose and what purpose it might ever have, I should have minded the basic rule, that nothing, what is loose, should be so. So today, I started the ultimate mummification, taping this metal frame tight to the film door and EVERYTHING outside the camera. The backdoor ( as before ), the film counter window, the ASA window, the PC flash connector, the film rewind knob, everything on the bottom plate and both finder windows on the front and back. And then, I removed ( nearly ) everything one by one. No light leaking anymore. I said nearly everything, because I run out of film before I could remove the tape from the PC flash connector and the rewind button on the bottom plate, but I can't imagine, that those are connected to the inner chamber somehow. Also ... this metal frame would fit much better to the fact, that the light leaking hasn't been on the perforation of the film. I get this beast ;D Right in time, because I want to use this camera tomorrow. It's the "peak weekend" of cherryblossom here in Tokyo ( full blooming everywhere now ) and a few million people celebrating "o hanami" under cherryblossom trees. It's like carnival ... and there will be alcohol ;D A simple but reliable camera is needed ... and a rangefinder is always my "beer-o-meter". If I can't match those two pictures in the finder anymore, I should stop drinking BTW, the most impressive thing about those hanami parties ( mostly happening in the big parks ), is the japanese discipline. No matter how many people are coming together ( mostly more than 1 Mio. at one place ), no matter how drunk everybody is ( and they are !!! ), I have never ever seen people fighting and everybody takes his own garbage back home. For somebody, grown up in Europe, this it totally unbelievable. At similar events in Germany ( like carnival ), you need an entire army of policemen ruling the chaos, the hospitals are full and the town looks like a battlefield later. It is ashaming Attached a picture of the "o hanami" at Yoyogi-Park two years ago. It's a fantastic event and the cherryblossoms everywhere are just breathtaking. The whole city, dipped into white and pink. Hope, I can take nice pictures again ( without light leaks ) Thanks for all the inspirations and I also hope, Watson and Holmes have succeeded
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Post by Berndt on Apr 6, 2012 7:53:11 GMT -5
I would say no, because the light leaking also appreared, if the lens cap is mounted. That's still an interesting question. Some sources in the internet are speaking of a variable shutter speed, some of a fixed. From what I noticed ( just by pressing the shutter many times in different light conditions and looking through the lens ), I would say from my feeling, the shutter speed is always the same. But ... looking at the pictures, I took, I would say that some ( still well exposed ) pictures at low light conditions would have been impossible at 1/125 sec and 100 ASA. So it keeps being a secret ... unless somebody would take this camera into pieces and would be capable of fully understanding the wondrous mechanics inside However, I am deeply impressed of what this camera can do. Comparing the auto capabilities of this ancient analog marvel to the modern highly sophisticated electronics of a digital camera ( also in AUTO mode ), I get more failures on a modern camera ... honestly. Whatever the designing engineer built into this camera, he did a good job.
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Post by 33dollars on Apr 6, 2012 8:14:01 GMT -5
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Post by daveh on Apr 6, 2012 9:00:33 GMT -5
Shutter speeds: It would seem strange to me for a camera like this to be produced with just one shutter speed of 1/125. I would believe as little as two shutter speeds, perhaps 1/30 and 1/125 (or a little faster). At fixed 1/125 it would run out of light pretty rapidly. Perhaps though that is why this camera is less well known that the Olympus Trip. There does seem precious little information out there on it.
It's fairly easy to tell from the sound of a focal plane shutter what speeds are there. Looking through the lens as the shutter fires should give a guide as to whether the shutter is operating at just one speed, or more than one.
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Post by Berndt on Apr 6, 2012 9:50:20 GMT -5
Interesting also to think about, what happens, if the camera is run in manual mode. It is possible to choose apertures ( manual mode then ), but no shutter times. That wouldn't make sense, if the shutter speed is not fixed ... or ... the camera switches to a fixed shutter time then ?
Unfortunately, I couldn't find a manual for this camera yet. There is one for a later model ( Deluxe ), but it seems to be quite different. A mysterious camera.
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