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Post by unclebill on Jul 12, 2007 19:11:42 GMT -5
 Shot with a Minolta XE-7 with a MC Rokkor 135 f2.8 lens with Fuji Provia 100f slide film. |
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Post by byuphoto on Jul 12, 2007 21:14:01 GMT -5
reminds of a scene from my all time favorite movie "Last of the Mohicans"
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Post by John Parry on Jul 13, 2007 8:51:05 GMT -5
Rick - "Last of the Mohicans"? No it had to be "Kelly's Heroes" !! LOL
Any special occasion Bill? Or was it just somebody 'flying the flag'?
Regards - John
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Post by unclebill on Jul 13, 2007 13:35:58 GMT -5
Oakville just celebrated it's 150th anniversary as a town so in the old part of the town where some of the houses are older than 150 years old are flying the Union Jack. The maple leaf was adapted as Canada's flag in the 1960's.
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Post by byuphoto on Jul 13, 2007 14:05:13 GMT -5
John. There is a scene in the movie where Major Heyward arrives at Albany, NY. the inn looked just like that with the union jack flying. The only thin g missing are a couple of "Lobster backs"
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Post by Randy on Jul 13, 2007 17:29:06 GMT -5
Nice shot. Last time I saw the Union Jack was at Fort Niagra during a reinactment.
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Post by PeterW on Jul 13, 2007 18:57:03 GMT -5
Bill, I'm a little confused about Canadian flags. I understand the Maple Leaf flag as Canada's national flag was ratifed by the Queen in 1965 as head of the Commonwealth. But am I right in thinking that the Union Jack and the Canadian Red Ensign are still offically flown, at least in some provinces, on some occasions?
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Post by mickeyobe on Jul 13, 2007 23:47:06 GMT -5
Peter,
You are correct about the maple leaf flag being adopted in 1965. However the Union Flag ( Union Jack ) is is to be flown alongside the Maple Leaf flag on special occasions where a second flag pole is available. The Canadian Red Ensign may also be flown.
The provincial flags of Ontario, British Columbia and Manitoba are Red Ensigns which contain the Union Jack and each province's unique crest.
Many veterans of the first and second world wars still fly/flew the Canadian Red Ensign and/or the Union Jack maintaining it is the flag under which they served their country and under which their comrades died. I have, I am glad to say, heard no objections to this practice.
However, unlike Americans, Canadians have never been great flag wavers although more and more people are flying flags than in previous years.
Mickey
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Post by Rachel on Jul 14, 2007 6:37:02 GMT -5
............ unlike Americans, Canadians have never been great flag wavers although more and more people are flying flags than in previous years. That's also true in the UK. If anything we've, for some time now, been a bit embarrassed about all this nationalism thing although the Scots and , perhaps to a lesser extent, the Welsh have always been proud to fly their flags. You do see more English flags about so perhaps something is stirring in England. If the tv programmes are to be believed the US flag seems to be on display in all offices and schools and public and private places. We just don't do that here. I must say though that the sight of the Union Flag (that's what it should be called) on display does stir something in me and brings a lump to my throat ..... Rachel retires slightly embarrassed .......  |
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Post by nikonbob on Jul 14, 2007 7:10:34 GMT -5
National flags tend to be well designed and colourful and make striking photos as Bill's photo shows. As a Canadian of German descent I get a bit uneasy when I see too many national flags flown privately on anything but special days. Maybe that is why I only fly the Maple Leaf on Canada Day. It is not that I am not proud to be Canadian but am cautious of being what I view as being too proud and what that may engender. Sorry, a little OT, but flags can be beautiful and controversial.
Bob
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Post by byuphoto on Jul 14, 2007 13:23:18 GMT -5
Well, I for one am proud to be an American and think the flag should be displayed with pride. I also wish our Govt. would take a stand and make flag burning a crime
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Post by PeterW on Jul 14, 2007 14:16:04 GMT -5
And so it should, Rachel. You're quite right, of course. The United Kingdom national flag should properly be called the Union Flag, but my dictionary says that Union Jack is popularly synonymous with Union Flag. I did a spot of digging about the rules of flying the Union Flag. They go back donkey's years, and are quite strict. Here's what I found: The Union Flag should be flown only on Crown property, at the masthead of a Royal Naval vessel when there is an Admiral of the Fleet aboard, or on the jackstaff (the small flagstaff at the bows) of a Royal Naval vessel. Strictly speaking, this is the only time it may be called a Union Jack. These rules may be relaxed at times of national celebration. I suppose that's why we seldom see the Union Flag flown in the UK. I also suppose that's why, when I was a young boy at school, the Union Flag, and the headmaster insisted on calling it that, was usually flown on the school flagpole only on Empire Day. I can't remember a flag of any sort being flown there on any other day except the Silver Jubilee of King George V and Queen Mary (1935) and the Coronation of King Geoge VI and Queen Elizabeth (1937). On both occasions it carried the Union Flag. The Union Flag with a broad white border may be flown on the jackstaff of a merchant ship, when it is known as the Merchant Jack. Did any of the ships you were on fly a Merchant Jack, John? As a BTW, the 'flags' that British regiments used to carry into battle many years ago should never be called flags. They were Regimental Colours. Going back still further to the time when the King led his troops into battle (Henry V and all that), instead of the Regimental Colours, the Royal Standard - actually the King's personal Armorial Bearing - was carried in its place. OK, end of history lecture. You can all go out to play.  . PeterW |
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Post by GeneW on Jul 14, 2007 14:51:42 GMT -5
Well, I for one am proud to be an American and think the flag should be displayed with pride. I also wish our Govt. would take a stand and make flag burning a crime Oh dear, I should hope not... Gene |
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Post by PeterW on Jul 14, 2007 16:45:19 GMT -5
I think, guys (and I'm as guilty as anyone) that we may be in danger of straying too far OT and into shark-infested waters.
I propose we get back to camera collecting and photography on the board, and exchange personal opinions in PMs or emails.
Please consider this subject closed.
PeterW
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Post by John Parry on Jul 15, 2007 13:44:16 GMT -5
Hi Peter
Not to re-open the whole subject, but just to answer your question. It was customary to fly the Union Flag from the mainmast whenever in foreign territorial waters - together with the flag of the host nation. Then of course there were the three ensigns (to introduce another name for a flag). The Royal Navy flew the White Ensign (white flag with the Union Flag in the top left hand corner - can't be bothered looking up the heraldic terminology). The Merchant Navy flew a Red Ensign (aka 'The Red Duster'). Finally, there was the Blue Ensign, flown when the Captain of a Merchant Vessel was a member of the Royal Naval Reserve. The Blue Ensign was universally detested by all the other members of the crew! Ensigns are flown from dawn to dusk from the flag staff at the stern of the ship.
In my limited experience, the only flag officially termed a 'jack' was the small, reinforced ensign designed not to blow itself apart in stormy weather - a 'storm jack'.
Never saw a Union Flag with a white border Peter. Other than signal flags, the only other flag was the ship's house flag - the flag of the shipping company, flown at the stem of the ship.
Hope this has muddied the waters successfully!!
Regards - John
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