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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2011 12:10:47 GMT -5
I was cleaning out a file cabinet the other day and found some negatives that had fallen down behind a drawer. Our three daughters, about 1978, available window light. Probably shot with a Nikon F, either 35mm or 24 mm lens--probably 24mm. Tri-X was a wonderful film. By then the base color had changed from gray to pink, I think. That's when there was a dramatic improvement in grain. W.
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Post by PeterW on Apr 24, 2011 12:29:29 GMT -5
What a lovely heirloom find from more then 30 years ago!
I very seldom used Tri-X because of its coarse grain, and didn't know it had improved that much.
For preference in black and white I used FP4, but for low light I used HP4 because I knew I could, if necessary, push it to 1200 ASA in development.
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Post by Mark Vaughan on Apr 24, 2011 12:49:43 GMT -5
Wayne - thanks for sharing. Wonderful photos. This is the kind of film photo legacy I'm trying to build for my daughters. Just shot 20 rounds of XP2/400 of the gals in their Easter dresses yesterday through a Nikkormat EL (not the new one - it ended up needing seals).
Peter - Were the FP4 and HP4 Ilford films?
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Post by PeterW on Apr 24, 2011 16:05:27 GMT -5
Mark,
Yes, they were and still are except that FP4 is now FP4 Plus and HP4 is now HP5, both still available from specialist suppliers.
FP and HP are Ilford trademarks standing for Finegrain Panchromatic and Hypersensitive Panchromatic. They go back to the early 1930s and were first used on glass plates. With each major change in the emulsion the number went up by 1 - FP2, FP3, FP4 and HP2, HP3 HP4 and HP5. For minor improvements Ilford used the word Plus or sometimes just +)
FP4, and FP4 Plus, have a speed rating of 125 ASA but following a tip from an Ilford technician I rated it at 200 ASA and developed for 9 minutes in ID11 (Ilford Developer no.11 which goes back to the early 1900s with very little change and is almost identical to Kodak's D76).
HP4 was rated at 400 ASA in ID11 and 650ASA in Ilford's Microphen which was formulated to minimise grain.
However, I found I could push HP4 to 1200 ASA if developed in ID11 for 11 1/2 to 12 minutes with only a minimum increase in grain and a slight loss of contrast. IMO the grain was finer than Kodak's TRI-X at the time (late 1960s) at 650 ASA.
All times at 20 degrees C, and I always used ID11 at full strength with fresh developer for each film.
For a time, Ilford produced HPS (Hypersensitive Panchromatic Superspeed) and claimed that with push processing it could be rated at 3200 ASA. It was introduced as a competitor to Kodak's Royal X Pan and, I think, was available only in 120 roll film. I tried it but didn't like it. The grain was acceptably fine for the speed but VERY gritty-looking.
There is certainly no grain problem with Wayne's picture but, as I said, I never tried the later TRI-X.
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Post by PeterW on Apr 24, 2011 17:55:12 GMT -5
Mark (and possibly others), Following my previous posting here are some shots on Ilford film - FP2, FP3, FP4 and HP4 pushed to 1200 ASA. They are all candid shots of my favourite subject - people. Ilford FP2 (basically a 1939 emulsion). Stolen Ride, taken with a borrowed Diax at an amusement park in Margate, Kent, about 1956 Ilford FP3. Street gossip, taken I in Lymington, Hampshire with a mid-1930s Robot, mid 1960s FP4. Buying fish, Helsinki harbour, Finland, taken with a Zorki C, late 1960s HP4 push-processed to 1200 ASA. Control hut, monitoring cold-start trials with Leyland Trucks, Timmins, northern Canada, 1960s, taken with a Kiev. Outside night time temperature about minus 42 degrees C, temperature in the control hut with the stove going full blast, around zero. Available light – two 100-watt bulbs hanging from the roof of the hut.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2011 21:32:20 GMT -5
Peter: It was about the time these shot were taken that some dramatic changes were made in Tri-X. The emulsion changed color and the film got thinner and tougher and thinner. It's characteristics were more like a high speed Plus-X. I always processed Tri-X in one-shot D76 diluted 1:1. At least to me there seemed to be a big difference in quality between straight D76 and 1:1. Microdol-X supposedly was for finer grain but it always seemed to me that it had a softening effect on the image. Here's another shot from the same series. If the pictures seem a little flat to some it's because I learned photography shooting for newspapers and a image that has totally white whites and black blacks dind't reproduce worth a darn on newsprint. I like grays. W.
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Post by daveh on Apr 26, 2011 7:05:10 GMT -5
Ilford for me in the main too. Occasionally Plus-X, Tri-X, Orwo or one of the others.
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Post by vintageslrs on Apr 26, 2011 12:41:44 GMT -5
Nice photos Guys!
I too, loved Tri-X......and used it alot after the improvement.
Bob
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Post by Th1nk3r on Jul 31, 2011 20:36:29 GMT -5
very nice photo , Sir... look at the picts up there, I think my age is the same with your doughter... even I come from 'the next G', but I still love BW analog picture .... especially for shot my family, * pentax MX, smc-m 28mm f/2.8, tri-x ei 1600 Tri-X is fav film, too.... but sometime HP5+ can give more grainless pict 'couse rightnow most the time I use the paRodinal to dev my BW film, it's a little bit 'difficult' to get other developer in my place (=expensive... ) * pentax mx, 28mm, hp5+, parodinal thanks to share the nice pict, Wayne..... it truely motivated for me to still use my MX..... didon.- ps: sorry about my English... I hope you can understand what I mean....
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Post by mickeyobe on Jul 31, 2011 22:46:11 GMT -5
Didon, "ps: sorry about my English... I hope you can understand what I mean.... "There is a saying that "A picture is worth a thousand words." Your beautiful photographs speak volumes. Mickey
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Post by daveh on Jul 31, 2011 23:11:42 GMT -5
Didon, it's good to be getting some photos from your part of the world: nice photos they are too.
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Post by Th1nk3r on Jul 31, 2011 23:15:28 GMT -5
mikethank you , Mike.... as a newbie in this forum, actually I have some question here.... is there any topic / thread in this forum that discuss about darkroom technic, specially for BW film processing ? didon.=
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Post by Th1nk3r on Jul 31, 2011 23:25:42 GMT -5
Didon, it's good to be getting some photos from your part of the world: nice photos they are too. thank you Sir... in my country, maybe almost the same like any other place, analog user is a minority .... but we try to make a group in order to share information and knowledge, to make analog photography still exist today. there is a 'gallery' that we use to post our analog picts ... sorry it is still in Indonesian language, but like Mickey said ... I hope the picture can tell more than a thousand words.. If you dont mind, please take a look and give some comment overt there... photo-analog.forumid.net/f14-galleryit is nice mo find this forum.... I hope some of my friends from Jakarta will join into to this forum too... didon.-
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