emil
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Post by emil on Feb 1, 2018 17:54:21 GMT -5
So dear forum participants, I am researching a 1920-1930 photographic archive, and I have a tremendous curiosity of which cameras they were used to make this pictures, they were at least 3 or 4 cameras. I will start with the one that is easiest. The size of the negative is 6x11.5 cm, it is foldable, all the pictures are in Kodak packs so I asume that is a Kodak, but it can be another camera. The negatives don't have any writing on them. It could make pictures at night (so it does have a B or T setting). Ummmmmmm  |
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Post by puderse on Feb 1, 2018 17:59:31 GMT -5
It's in a case!
No way to know.
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emil
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Post by emil on Feb 1, 2018 18:26:33 GMT -5
My dear Watson, actually is not in the case, is in use, it is just taking that very picture... I don't know still a camera that can take a picture of itself.  |
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Post by julio1fer on Feb 2, 2018 20:45:15 GMT -5
I am not an specialist but will try.
That is 116 format. There were box cameras and folding cameras by Kodak in the period using 116 format; possibly, by other manufacturers as well, but Kodak would be a likely bet.
Subject is relatively close to the camera and quite in focus, which suggests an adjustable focus camera (for those lenses' focal distances) - therefore a folder is more likely than a box type.
There were quite a few folding models, some for Autographic film, some for plain 116. Could be a Kodak 2A Folding Pocket Brownie, or an Autographic 1A, or several other types. If some negatives are written neatly as with a pen / stylus it could well be an Autographic type, that would help to narrow the field.
A camera does not takes pictures of itself, except in a mirror. But it can take pictures of its case; if so it would be a confirmation of a folder type.
More information is needed. Heck, it is a quiz, I know.
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emil
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Post by emil on Feb 3, 2018 12:42:10 GMT -5
Thanks, you made it well, without being a specialist! You got 5 points there, and yes, it is a folding, or that is what I assumed too. Very true that a camera can photograph itself in a mirror, touche! There is no text in the images, but that doesn't need to mean that is not an autographic, but simply the photographer wasn't using that feature.
Another clue is that is bought around 1916, in Europe, but I am not sure if is usefull...
How many 116 format camera kodak models there are?
So far I know:
-Kodak N2 autographic folding brownie
-kodak N1 autographic special
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emil
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Post by emil on Feb 3, 2018 13:08:16 GMT -5
And N1 autographic Junior
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Post by julio1fer on Feb 3, 2018 15:31:49 GMT -5
Emil, try this link, among many possibilities in the almost infinite 'Net. Try looking at the earliest pictures in your set that you can reliably date, and compare with the model lists, in order to discard the newer types. Sometimes, if you look carefully at the edges of the picture, you might find imperfections that are like a "fingerprint" for a given camera. This could be important, because the set could well have been taken with more than one camera. If there are no written negatives, you could probably discard the Autographic types, although not with certainty; if I am not mistaken, the Autographic types could also use standard (non-Autographic) 116 film. Although you probably know this, the Autographic types used film that you could write while in the camera, using a stylus that was stored in the camera itself. The idea was that you took the picture and immediatly wrote the relevant information. The writing came out at the developing phase. Sometimes the stylus became lost, or the owners did not want to bother with writing. Frankly, I doubt that you can identify the exact type without additional information! |
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Post by raybar on Feb 4, 2018 0:51:20 GMT -5
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emil
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Post by emil on Feb 4, 2018 21:17:51 GMT -5
Ok, ok, ok! We are onto something there, but it is true that is not possible probably to narrow it down more.thanks both, very interesting things to keep researching, like the "fingerprints"!
Now, the second question of the quiz, 3,8 cm x 6 cm format pictures, around 1916... any idea of what it can be? I will put some imput here, maybe totally wrong buuut can be 127 film that has been somehow croped while contact printing??
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Post by julio1fer on Feb 5, 2018 21:05:10 GMT -5
For that size there are not many alternatives. It could well be 127 film. 1 5/8 x 2 1/2" were official dimensions. The frame had the long side along the film strip, and the short side across.
If a Kodak, it could well be a Kodak Vest Pocket (very simple folding camera) or a Brownie 0 (box camera).
When doing contact prints, you put a mask on the negative (I did a lot of 6x9 contacts when I was about 9-10 years old). Some cropping could have happened. If you have the negatives, the identification of format would be more reliable.
You would need to get an old contact copier with a mask in order to verify the typical mask dimensions for 127. In my days, contact copies of 127 were uncommon.
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emil
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Post by emil on Feb 5, 2018 22:18:48 GMT -5
Ooook 5 more points there... no negatives of this format sadly!
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Post by mickeyobe on Feb 18, 2018 0:24:15 GMT -5
My dear Watson, actually is not in the case, is in use, it is just taking that very picture... I don't know still a camera that can take a picture of itself. emil, Many cameras have self timers that enable them to sit on a tripod or other support and snap the shutter with the photographer being the takee, not the taker. NOTE: "SELF Timer" The guy in your photo should have pressed his pants before letting his camera take the shot. ******************** Could the camera been made in England? Mickey |
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