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Post by der84 on May 14, 2015 10:42:34 GMT -5
Here's a rather random question......mainly for curiosity.
So I don't have a Mckeown's book yet, but I took a peek at a couple of pages of one on the web. As we all know Mckeown's shows different cameras and the value that they could be currently worth. I noticed though, that it doesn't state (from what I've seen) how much a camera might be worth, if you found one with it's original box, or original box and paperwork/manual.
So my question is. How much value, does an original box or original box and paperwork/manual give a camera?
Yes, I'm aware of the Mckeown's Law that states "The price of an antique camera is entirely dependent upon the moods of the buyer and seller at the time of the transaction". But, as I mentioned, mainly just out interest/curiosity that I am asking this.
Thanks Derek
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Post by der84 on May 14, 2015 10:25:15 GMT -5
Thank you Stephen. I had other suggestions such as Mothers Car Wax, Braasso, Murphy's Oil Soap with water, etc......
You're saying that none of those would be good for the bakelite and the only safer method would be to use the bakelite polish paste that you suggested?
Derek
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Post by der84 on May 13, 2015 8:12:47 GMT -5
I'm thinking of maybe cleaning/polishing up some of my bakelite cameras, but I'm looking for opinions/tips on what to use. I've looked up a couple of things on the internet, but I figure this would be a good place to ask too. As I'm sure someone on here has done it before.
Anybody have any suggestions on what to use that would be safe or that works really well?
Thanks Derek
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Post by der84 on May 10, 2015 7:17:47 GMT -5
Very nice Stephen.
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Post by der84 on May 10, 2015 7:14:07 GMT -5
My new Kodak 1A Folding Hawk-Eye. It arrived and looks better than I anticipated. There's not an awful lot of info on the Hawk-Eye cameras, though. David Wow, very cool. Looks in awesome shape David. Derek
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Post by der84 on May 10, 2015 7:12:39 GMT -5
More beautiful examples. Thanks!! Sorry for the late reply Phil and thank you. I have added a few more since posting this.
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Post by der84 on May 10, 2015 7:09:08 GMT -5
My compliments. I especially like the yen camera. Historically very interesting little gem. David It is pretty cool. They also came in little folding cameras too. The late camera collector Eaton Lothrop Jr. had a whole set of "Yen Cameras" in his collection.
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Post by der84 on May 10, 2015 7:07:47 GMT -5
A great collection of most unusual cameras. I love the last one, it probably used films with a built-in monobath process system. I used to sell x-ray films of that type. No darkroom needed. Yes Phil, The "No Darkroom" "Yen Cameras" came with a developing kit. Some you can still find today with their kits. Mine didn't have its original kit though. Still a cool looking camera though.
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Post by der84 on May 10, 2015 7:05:31 GMT -5
The KW Etui was a special camera made by Kamera-Werkstätten Guthe & Thorsch, and laid claimed to being the thinnest folding Plate camera. It was made from about 1911 to 1938, being available as the Kawee in the States from Burleigh Brooks in the mid 1930's. They were top quality cameras fitted with good lenses and shutters, and I think yours dates from the mid 1930's, and was supplied by Burleigh Brookes, and fitted with the Kawee name plate. After the 2nd world war KW ended up in state control in East Germany, and made the Praktifex cameras, later becoming pat of VEB Pentacon, and making Practica cameras. If all works and the bellows is light tight, then fully usable with plate holders or a roll film adaptor like Rollux or Rada. Stephen. It is pretty damn small when folded up. Most of the older Folding pocket cameras were pretty big while this one could still fit in your pocket. I'll have to look at the bellows again, but I'm pretty sure they're light tight. Don't know if I'll ever use it, considering I barely have time to use my regular film cameras...haha. But definitely an option.
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Post by der84 on May 9, 2015 7:39:40 GMT -5
I haven't been on here in a month or two but that doesn't mean I've stopped collecting....... Here are some recent additions to the collection since I posted last....yes I've been busy...haha. First one up is a KW Patent Etui "Kawee Camera" (1921ish??) Picked up at my local antique store. According to what I have read, the word "Kawee" was given for marketing use in the use in the US. It was a play on words for the company's initials KW. Various shutter/lens combinations were offered with this camera. This particular one has Compur shutter made by F. Deckel in Germany, the lens is Carl Zeiss Tessar f/1:4.5, 10.5cm. Hosted on FotkiNext up is a Bilora Boy (1955) larger version then the earlier smaller ones. Made by Bilora in Germany. One of my faves in the collection. Great styling. Hosted on FotkiNext: Kodak Baby Brownie Special with original box and manual. (1938-1954) Basically this was a replacement for the Baby Brownie. Hosted on FotkiArgus C3 Matchmatic "The Brick" (1958-1966) Alright, so not the original case for it, but it did come with it's clip on selenium light meter and a very cool Argus flash unit. Hosted on FotkiKodak Brownie Bulls-Eye (Gold Version) (1954-1960) I also have the black one too. Came with original box not picture. Hosted on FotkiPolaroid 800 (1957-1962) Not really a Polaroid collector, but I do like a few of the older classic models. This is one of them. Came with flash, wink light and carrying case and paperwork. Found at my local antique store. Hosted on FotkiFototecnica Filmor Box camera (1950-1954) Very cool looking box camera made by Fototecnica in Turin, Italy. Hosted on FotkiStill reading???............ Univex Minute 16 - Made by the Universal Camera Corp. (1949) Very happy to have found one with its flash unit, original boxes for both camera and flash unit as well as paperwork too. This little camera has been credited as being partly (if not fully) responsible for the Universal Camera Corp. going bankrupt in 1952. Very small camera. Hosted on FotkiVery cool looking camera. The Bilora Bonita (1954) pseudo TLR camera made by Bilora in Germany. There was a previous model before this one, called the Bilora Bonita 66, which had a slightly different look to it. Hosted on FotkiCoronet Portrait Lens box camera (1935) Cool looking box camera with dual, retractable lens setting. Hosted on FotkiFinally......... Japanese "No Darkroom" box camera aka a "Yen Camera". (1930s-40s???) They were produced by numerous no-name companies in Japan and came with different names. "Baby Camera", "Super Camera" etc....... Mine has a viewing window at the back of the camera (second picture). The film used was a special film that came in single sheets inside a stiff paper holder. Basically you would just point at what you wanted to shoot, look through the viewing window slide the special film into the back slot of the camera, then point and shoot. Very cheap. Afterwards you could develop your film, even in broad daylight, thanks to the special holders the film was in. I've added a quarter in the photo for scale. It's definitely a lot smaller then I thought it was. Hosted on FotkiBack of camera (viewing window) Hosted on FotkiDerek
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Post by der84 on Mar 15, 2015 8:26:51 GMT -5
Here are some of the TLR/pseudo TLR cameras in my collection. There are a couple I may have posted before. My Yashica Mat 124 G (1970-1986) Currently I shoot with this using Ilford 120 B&W film. Excellent camera. Hosted on FotkiVoigtlander Brilliant (Metal Body) (1932-1937) My example has a little wear to it, but then again, I think it look pretty good for being over 80 years old....haha. Hosted on FotkiEnsign Ful-Vue (1946) Hosted on FotkiArnold Linco Flex (1932-1933) Fairly scarce little pseudo TLR from Germany Hosted on FotkiKodak Brownie Hawkeye Flash (1950) Probably belongs more in the plastic fantastic section, but it does still have that pseudo TLR look to it. Hosted on FotkiImperial Reflex Camera (1950's) Lee Harvey Oswald camera Hosted on FotkiUnivex TwinFlex (1939) Hosted on FotkiAnsco Panda (1950) Kids toy camera. Hosted on FotkiMetropolitan Clix-O-Flex (1947) Hosted on FotkiSpartus Full-Vue (1948-1960) Hosted on Fotki
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Post by der84 on Mar 15, 2015 7:54:50 GMT -5
Yes, I realize I can start a new thread, but I think that this camera belongs in with the odd balls even through it is a box camera. Not sure how uncommon one of these are, but I've only seen just a few on the internet. Front View Hosted on FotkiBack View Hosted on FotkiThis is a Photo-See box camera made by the Photo-See Corp. of New York (1930-1939). It was pretty much an earlier version (earlier then Polaroid) instant camera. It came with a developing tank capable of making photos in less then 5 min. The camera had a removable back that held the special film inside a light proof bag. This allowed the film to be removed from the camera to the developing tank in broad daylight. The developing tank that would come with the camera had holes that would allow the photographer to fill with the developing solutions. The film would be attached to the tank and the process would be controlled by the photographer. Apparently this wasn't the most successful camera as the whole developing process wasn't easy and the results weren't so good either. Comparing this to the Polaroid cameras which would come on the market 10 years later.
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Post by der84 on Mar 13, 2015 6:13:33 GMT -5
I purchased this today. Nice condition and works well. The periscope is a little dusty but I can use it. This is a versatile camera and may be the best body to use some of the adapted lenses on. I think its the third version of the Mk 1 Very nice Phil.
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Post by der84 on Mar 7, 2015 7:04:59 GMT -5
Only a passing comment, the Trolite plastic is the basically the same as Bakelite, but Bakelite came in many different forms, it was very closely patented, and Agfa and others in Germany used an IB Faren licensed version of Bakelite. However it is not a 'filled cloth' version, and is a bit delicate, especially with aging. It can flake a bit on delicate edges, but the Agfa design has rounded edges perhaps for this reason. If the Bakelite is scufffed or gone matt, it can be revived with the special polishes meant for cleaning and restoring Bakelite phone bodies. Stephen. Thanks Stephen.
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Post by der84 on Mar 6, 2015 23:44:25 GMT -5
Very nice.
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