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Post by Randy on Nov 5, 2005 23:24:18 GMT -5
So what's the latest with our COSINA FILES? I've just learned there is a branch of Cosina named Corsina that manufactures lenses for Nikon, Konica/Minolta, and Phoenix. As we know, Phoenix is the company in China that makes the current Konica/Minolta and Pentax SLRs. Phoenix made cameras can be found with either Minolta MD mount and Pentax/Cosina K mount lenses. Cosina is also making M42 Screw Mount lenses again... Other cameras that come from Phoenix...Seagull, or do Phoenix Cameras come from Seagull. What are our friends at Cosina up to now...is there a China Syndrome afoot? The investigative team here at The Camera Collector has a little more Gumshoe work to do, eh?
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Post by paulatukcamera on Nov 7, 2005 11:11:29 GMT -5
I have been trying - honest! I have now placed a number of bids for my "suspect" Cosina made rangefinders and lost them all! The latest bash was for a couple of Revue 400s - black & chrome versions - all went way higher than I expected - just like its Vivitar brother. I think the eBay marketplace is a lot more "savvy" then we give it credit for! If they have identified these as a clone Auto s3, then it explains why prices are higher than I expect. I feel if I can strip down (well, OK just take the covers off!) a Minolta Himatic 7 series2, a Konica Auto S3, a Vivitar & the Revue then I can prove it either way. I suspect that they all emanated from the same factory, but proving it to be true is another matter! Why is this in this thread? Well I hate to cross swords with our esteemed leader, but I can find no evidence whatsoever that Corsina is another brand of Cosina. I have scoured the internet, but keep coming up with people who simply misspell "Cosina" Can you point me in any direction that looks "official" rather than purely "comment" The Phoenix details seem to be here - no 35mm listed: page6.800800.net/dcphenix/english/profile.aspProducts listed are here: page6.800800.net/dcphenix/english/product.aspOK competition time! Can any one explain why this statement is on the cameras produced web page! "Fix the burnt camera" Haven't a clue. Thought that would challenge your old grey cells! Paul |
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Post by PeterW on Nov 7, 2005 15:11:13 GMT -5
Good question, Paul. How's this for a convoluted train of thought? The Phoenix, of course, was a mythical bird that rose from the ashes. The cameras seem to be made by a firm called Nanchang Phoenix. Nanchang is the capital of some unpronounceable province in China, and Phoenix seems to be associated with a lot of things there - Phoenix Hotel etc. Maybe it's got something to do with some of the ancient Emperors there issuing their edicts in a gilded casket shaped like a Phoenix. So, Phoenix - rising from the ashes - fixing a burnt camera? Too far fetched? OK, let's hear some other guesses.
Peter
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Post by vintageslrs on Nov 7, 2005 15:20:28 GMT -5
Guys
in my reseach of Cosina-made SLRs , I did come across evidence that Cosina did indeed make lens for the company using the name "Phoenix" on lenses.
Bob
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Post by Randy on Nov 7, 2005 18:09:45 GMT -5
I sent that Australian website to Bob that mentioned a sub-Cosina company in China called Corsina that may or may not be our old friends at Cosina venturing into other countries? I forgot to save the site myself. I don't know if Bob saw that or not. Ponder this thought...how many 35mm SLRs have been made in the last 20 or so years that have all of the inovations and lens types in CHINA of our favorite camera maker Cosina? K-mount lenses? I have a China made K-1000 that has a Clone called the Phoenix! I believe it's a P-2000? At first I thought Phoenix and Seagull were in cahoots, but Seagull is in cahoots with Konica/Minolta I've been told.
But on the other hand, you can get a Phoenix P-1000 with a Minolta MD lens mount and the camera looks like a Minolta X370! Yikes! I just love this kinda stuff!
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Post by kamera on Nov 7, 2005 18:21:03 GMT -5
Oo, Oo...Jumpin' Jehosaphat!!! Which is it which art??
One can get totally confused on who made what camera and under what brand it was marketed.
Fortunately, the commoner 3rd. parties like Cosina and Kyocera overall have quality under control.
Ron Head
Kalamazoo, MI
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Post by Just Plain Curt on Nov 7, 2005 20:42:12 GMT -5
Confusing it definitely is. Not just cameras though. Last week we bought a new Chevy Optra. Chevy name, Daewoo car, GM Holden engine from Australia, GM Germany transmission. Same car is marketed by Daewoo as the Nubira and Suzuki as the Verona. Kia Rio 5 and Hyundai Accents are now the same car beneath the skin. GM Aveo looks to be a new Suzuki like they always were as Trackers, Firefly, etc. but are now Daewoo as are Pontiac Wave and Pursuit, GM Epica etc. What ever became of Asuna, Geo, Etc. ? Global cars, global cameras, computers, .......
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Post by heath on Nov 26, 2005 21:56:41 GMT -5
GM Holden have also made deals with Toyota. The Holden Apollo is a Toyota Camry. The Toyota Lexcen is a Holden Commodore. Recently Holden exported the Monaro Coupe to the US and badged it as a Pontiac GTO.
Ford and Mazda have also done similar deals. Ford Telstar = Mazda 626.
This is called Badge Engineering.
Back to the subject of cameras. I am currently watching a Porst Reflex on eBay. This looks identcal to the Ricoh Singlex TLS. So I guess this is another to add to the list. I will give more info if/when I win it.
Heath
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Post by kamera on Nov 26, 2005 23:50:55 GMT -5
Paul,
This is a little off subject. But are you by any chance wanted by Scotland Yard or Interpol??? ;D
The avatar of you is neat looking through the viewfinder of a camera, but I for one would like to see your face!!
Cheers, Friend...!
Ron Head
Kalamazoo, MI
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Post by herron on Nov 28, 2005 10:13:27 GMT -5
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Post by PeterW on Nov 28, 2005 15:38:16 GMT -5
Thanks for posting the URL of that site, Ron. It's one I hadn't come across before. He's got some interesting things to say about other makes, too (though the M42x1 lens thread was introduced by Praktica, not the Contax D).
Peter
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Post by vintageslrs on Nov 28, 2005 15:59:53 GMT -5
Hi Ron
yes Randy and I are familiar with that site and I have taken some info. from there.....
but thanks for asking about it because many times folks find someplace that I had not seen before and it is always appreciated when anyone takes the time to point us in a direction that might be useful.
Bob
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Post by heath on Nov 29, 2005 3:17:08 GMT -5
I got sniped at the last minute on the Porst. Had it wone with 7 minutes to go at only $1 and me the only bidder.
Oh well, I will keep on looking for more from the Cosina factory.
Heath
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Post by vintageslrs on Nov 29, 2005 11:58:30 GMT -5
Heath
what model was it?
Some of the Porst CR series were made by Fujica and are quite good cameras?
I know for a fact that a Porst CR-7 is a Fujica AX-5.
Bob
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Post by heath on Nov 29, 2005 16:19:42 GMT -5
This one was identical to the Ricoh Singlex TLS, but that is all I know.
Heath
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